it is their place when the person cheating is in the same field as them, reporting on, amongst other things, running cheaters. it is especially their place if they have a runners world membership or even if they just browse the site - they are contributing funds either directly or indirectly. they are paying her wages, at least in part.
Because it’s not the place for rando loonies on the internet to reach out to cheater’s employers trying to get them to lose their employment. If your employees cheat and you want to fire them over it, have at it.
I just want these cheaters to come clean with a mea culpa and a promise to do better moving forward. Instead, they double down, toss out words like "defamation" and lawsuit, and refuse to accept any culpability whatsoever.
And if they don’t mea culpa to your content?
Case-by-case. I strongly suspect this person will not attempt to attempt to cheat again in running races. If she chooses to race again, it will be under heightened scrutiny. Outside of race disqualification, which is likely appropriate based on the evidence, I don't suspect any greater good will come of further ramifications to this person.
The Meza situation was terribly unfortunate, but also unique. Meza had previously been disqualified and banned from races for cheating, and yet, for reasons really only understood by him, he continued to engage in fairly complex cheating schemes at running races. The evidence showed that his cheating was done with very careful planning. When exposed, he threatened legal action and even solicited an acting Assistant United States Attorney General to vouge for his character (a clear message to his adversaries). It was a terribly tragic and unfortunate situation all around.
After seeing the lengths that this women went to cheat, cover her tracks and the elaborate scheme to try and get away with it and then after all that try and come up with an excuse and lie further several days later... You think she should be employed by a running publication and telling people the do's and don'ts of running? She should be held up and partially employed because of her running accomplishments?
After seeing the lengths that this women went to cheat, cover her tracks and the elaborate scheme to try and get away with it and then after all that try and come up with an excuse and lie further several days later... You think she should be employed by a running publication and telling people the do's and don'ts of running? She should be held up and partially employed because of her running accomplishments?
I think that’s up to her employer to consider and decide and has nothing to do with me.
After seeing the lengths that this women went to cheat, cover her tracks and the elaborate scheme to try and get away with it and then after all that try and come up with an excuse and lie further several days later... You think she should be employed by a running publication and telling people the do's and don'ts of running? She should be held up and partially employed because of her running accomplishments?
I think that’s up to her employer to consider and decide and has nothing to do with me.
And I told you. It has nothing to do with me and is none of my business. I’d have the same answer if you asked me if you should be employed.
I'll take that as a no.
Why? Is that what I said? Do you think I should have an opinion on everyone in the world regarding whether or not they should be employed? Perhaps that is where we differ.
Her employment has nothing to do with me and is none of my business.
"I am really disturbed by the comments I've seen about Joasia Zakrzewski: of course she's made a terrible mistake but she's a human being."
posted on this person's now deleted twitter account on April 19, 2023 (week of the London Marathon, and 2 weeks after the half marathon), link still visible on google along with some interesting commentary for and against this take underneath.
Zakrewski is the ultrarunner who jumped in a car to take third place in a 50 mile race.
She's literally racing most weekends in Australia under her own name, she is laughing at 'the ban'.
Are you claiming she's actually competing in IAU sanctioned races WEEKLY under her real name? Like actual seeded races. Races with rankings, championship points, & prize money??? NOT weekend neighborhood fun runs nobody cares and don't violate her ban? I'd love to see your proof. She doesn't seem to have Strava anymore.
Why? Is that what I said? Do you think I should have an opinion on everyone in the world regarding whether or not they should be employed? Perhaps that is where we differ.
Her employment has nothing to do with me and is none of my business.
How do you post here, but you're afraid to have an opinion on this topic which is actually relevant and important to running and runners, unlike 95% of what get posted here?
I never understood you "it's none of my business" people. It's OK to have an opinion, no matter what it is.
It's completely up to Runner's World. In a statement, Runner's World advised that it is conducting an investigation into the allegations of cheating. Presumably, it will act on the outcome of its investigation. One can predict the outcome if it concludes cheating took place and the publicity has had a negative impact on the Runner's World brand.
Why? Is that what I said? Do you think I should have an opinion on everyone in the world regarding whether or not they should be employed? Perhaps that is where we differ.
Her employment has nothing to do with me and is none of my business.
How do you post here, but you're afraid to have an opinion on this topic which is actually relevant and important to running and runners, unlike 95% of what get posted here?
I never understood you "it's none of my business" people. It's OK to have an opinion, no matter what it is.
It’s okay to NOT have an opinion on anything and everything. It’s okay to not have an opinion on whether or not she should be employed.
It’s crazy to want to get all cheaters fired.
How does that impact “how do I post here”? She should be disqualified when there is convincing evidence that she cheated. There’s a relevant opinion for you.
And I told you. It has nothing to do with me and is none of my business. I’d have the same answer if you asked me if you should be employed.
So you’re avoiding the moral quandary at the heart of this.
The point is not around the cheating. We all agree on that. The point is what exactly should the ramifications be when a hobby jogger employed within the wider running industry is found to have cheated?
That’s what some of us are struggling with. Using the internet to whip up a frenzy of outrage, only to moonwalk away when the more tricky questions get asked is cowardly (not you, rather as a general point).
And I told you. It has nothing to do with me and is none of my business. I’d have the same answer if you asked me if you should be employed.
So you’re avoiding the moral quandary at the heart of this.
The point is not around the cheating. We all agree on that. The point is what exactly should the ramifications be when a hobby jogger employed within the wider running industry is found to have cheated?
That’s what some of us are struggling with. Using the internet to whip up a frenzy of outrage, only to moonwalk away when the more tricky questions get asked is cowardly (not you, rather as a general point).
I’m not avoiding the moral quandary and it is about cheating. She should be disqualified for races she cheated in.
So you’re avoiding the moral quandary at the heart of this.
The point is not around the cheating. We all agree on that. The point is what exactly should the ramifications be when a hobby jogger employed within the wider running industry is found to have cheated?
That’s what some of us are struggling with. Using the internet to whip up a frenzy of outrage, only to moonwalk away when the more tricky questions get asked is cowardly (not you, rather as a general point).
I’m not avoiding the moral quandary and it is about cheating. She should be disqualified for races she cheated in.
Yes it is, but you are allowed to have an opinion. That's what all of us on this crazy messageboard do. Take a stance people. I know if I am taking advice from someone about running especially in a major publication I'm probably not going to listen to the person that is a serial cheater and goes to great lengths to cover it all up. Now if I am looking how to cheat in a race then I could take some of her advice and learn from her mistakes.
So you’re avoiding the moral quandary at the heart of this.
The point is not around the cheating. We all agree on that. The point is what exactly should the ramifications be when a hobby jogger employed within the wider running industry is found to have cheated?
That’s what some of us are struggling with. Using the internet to whip up a frenzy of outrage, only to moonwalk away when the more tricky questions get asked is cowardly (not you, rather as a general point).
I’m not avoiding the moral quandary and it is about cheating. She should be disqualified for races she cheated in.
If you were looking for running advice would you take it from her?
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