How does Jakob break the WR in the 1500m...

I don't think your Mottram argument proves anything about Jakob. I agree he could likely run sub-1.46 at his best but I doubt any better. He shows his basic speed is quite limited - unlike his endurance. He is quite the "slowest" 1500 champion I have seen in over half a century.

So let us all agree that Jakob is doping. What comments are you going to make next? That Jakob is doping. That he has to be doping. I mean after we have all agreed he is doping. What then comes out of your glorious keyboard on this subject?

It appears you and your friends are the ones obsessed with doping. I have been making arguments that I think he lacks the necessary speed to beat the 1500 wr - as with my post that you didn't actually respond to. But in your obsession with his doping - understandable - you missed that discussion.

I have already questioned whether he could ever break the 1500m record. See the first reply in the thread.

But you have trouble following what others said, as that is one of my arguments.

Your desperation to insult others stems from a colossal inferiority complex. Why do you feel so inferior?

Oh dear. You obviously didn't follow that either.

Why do you feel so inferior? Parents didn’t love you? What went wrong?

Jakob's best 400 when he was 16 was 51x. That isn't fast for a md athlete even at that age, and as we know Jakob was a prodigy - an early developer. I doubt he will be much faster now, and is probably only capable of 49-50s for the 400. That's why his 800 times so far are pedestrian and why I think 3:26 may be a bridge too far for an endurance prodigy who lacks the speed of the very best 1500 exponents.

You have a strange sense of what you think inferiority is when really it ought to be very familiar to you.

Why are you quoting me in that other thread? I wrote Jakob was more like Komen than Hicham in the 2nd post in this thread, which I had directed you to, and now you have adopted this as your own opinion in that other thread. Are you still drinking heavily? How do you explain this?

i actually think hes a lot faster than that,judging by his long runs for home and his finishing speed.its possible he holds back in shorter distances,as he doesnt really train for them,but i believe he has a 1.43 800 in his legs,as well as a low 47 400.if or when he breaks the 1500 world record i happen to believe hes even faster.if he breaks the 1500 record,he'd have to be a sub 1.43 800 runner.

How about this:

One theoretically could run a WR in 1500m without ever have run an under- or over-distance in competition.

Whatever Jakob is doing in training seems to work well for his 1500m races and that is enough.

He has this mentality of not having to prove anything to anyone, except to himself. And it's very possible we will never find out his true potential in 800m, as he is not going to race it in June/July/August.

My answer wasn’t good enough so I deleted the content…😊

I just asked you to be honest, and after posting "Yet everything about the latter distances tells me he is just another doper at the top of the sport" you attempt to deny what you just confirmed.

The whole problem with your 800m analysis, besides the fact that he is a 1500m-5000m specialist, is that we won't know what Jakob's 800m capability is until he tries. His overall performance has improved in the last three years.

Jack Daniel's VDOT (which favors endurance) says that his 2-mile record predicts 1:44.95.

Some arguments here about Jakobs speed, taking his PB at 800 1.46.44 into account. His 3:27.95 is 13.863 per 100. To reach 3:26.00 he has to run 13.733. But he cannot run 0.13 faster because of his lack of speed - documented by his 800 , which is 13.3. OK. What is his limit at 1500: 13.83, 13.78, 13.76? And if he runs 1.45.60 at 800, which is 13.2, what difference will that make?

So anyone who coincidentally may hold the same view as you on anything must be "quoting" you? There's narcissism - and then there's you.

As I have said, it is only the thickest posters here who want to get out their feeble little boxing gloves.

Why do you continually advertise how dense you are? Jakob hasn't run 1.44 and never will, so the argument about him likely doping isn't reduced.

I suppose your Jack Daniels conversion also gives Rudisha the 2-mile world record - it's just that he couldn't be bothered running it. I love the way you think a "table" proves how much faster an athlete is than anything they accomplish in the track. It probably also shows El G was really a 1:42 runner over the 800. Funny how these guys rarely if ever bother racing these events and accomplish the times they are supposed to be capable of. They clearly understand something your tables don't.

I am not a Jakob fanatic I am a Jakob realist.

And I still think Jakob will break the 1500m and mile WR and the rest of the track WRs up to 10,000m.

But the 1500m WR not necessarily in DL Lausanne or DL Silesia. But I do think there is a good possibility for further improvement of his 1500m PB in one of these races.

What do you think 600m man? Will he improve further and if so, how much. You have almost 10 days to think about it.

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Jakob at 17 outsprinted as Centro and Engels ( and Fisher, Chelimo and more) in Palo Alto May 2018. It was in a slow rustbuster (an early season race) so you can´t explain their losses on Jakob´s superior endurance.

Since Jakob has outsprinted Centro many times. I think last time was in the Olympic semifinal in 2021:

Centro is running 110% fighting for his live whereas Jakob is cruising looking around to secure he just do what is neccessary to "Q"