140 miles per week.

bump...keep the post going, it\'s a good one...oh and thanks In_Ithaca and Nike Free Me for all of the good info, very interesting...

so in ithaca and free me do you guys do anything to supplement your high mileage. Any lifting, strides or form stuff. How about diet do you guys take endurox or something similar to recover from all the pounding?

streaker wrote:

so in ithaca and free me do you guys do anything to supplement your high mileage. Any lifting, strides or form stuff. How about diet do you guys take endurox or something similar to recover from all the pounding?

Not to pick on you over semantics, but it seems like people assume that mileage=pounding. I don't think this is true. I become much more efficient with higher mileage, and my legs often feel much less "pounded" on 100 mpw than on 50 mpw. Throw in minimal shoes varied paces, good form and soft surfaces, and the legs should not feel "pounded".

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rock in my shoe wrote:

streaker wrote:

so in ithaca and free me do you guys do anything to supplement your high mileage. Any lifting, strides or form stuff. How about diet do you guys take endurox or something similar to recover from all the pounding?

Not to pick on you over semantics, but it seems like people assume that mileage=pounding. I don't think this is true. I become much more efficient with higher mileage, and my legs often feel much less "pounded" on 100 mpw than on 50 mpw. Throw in minimal shoes varied paces, good form and soft surfaces, and the legs should not feel "pounded".

good point that i agree with. bad word choice on my part

I never had a problem with "pounding" even when I didn't know what I was doing and was running everything at a fast pace. I did have a lot of problems with frequent illnesses (cold/flu mainly). I've never had an injury problem but I only weigh 105-110 when in shape so I am not the best person to answer this question. I have a good stride biomechanically so I don't really feel the ground, even when I am running on pavement.

I have done weightlifting and other stuff like that but I never knew what I was doing back then and I don't think it made much difference for me. If you had someone who knew what they were doing designing your weight training it would probably be very effective.

bump.

So at what % of HR max are these easy runs, approximately?

Also, is it ok to "run to the barn" in the last mile or so of runs a several times a week, even during base (i.e., getting 5 minutes or so at around 87-92% HRmax)?

I think what the answer they both previously mentioned was yes, but, you have to listen to your body first and foremost. Intensity varies depending on how you might feel that day.

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Thank you "question..." for asking the obvious. I just read through this thread the whole way for the first time. At first when I read "NIKE FREE's" posts, I was very impressed and had no reason to doubt them (though they sounded a tiny bit like a "Sidd Finch" story......[SI April Fool's joke, look it up] ). The more I read though, the more cynical I became. In fact, I wanted to jump to the end to see if anyone else had called this guy out on his story.

And FINALLY.......someone stopped assuming everything that they read on a messageboard is true, and that person is you. Once I saw him specific with those fast times, I KNEW someone was gonna fact-check some lists. And I also saw as a "red flag" someone who seemed to be running with a team, but running EXACTLY the way he felt like and had figured out on his own. So who is the coach of this team, "NIKE FREE" or the supposed coach?? He does his long slow 8 minute mile runs with his team? If the other guys didn't get in the requisisite JK mileage in the morning, then tough shit for them, they gotta go slow for their one workout with this kid? And "NIKE FREE" decides every run when the TEAM will pick up the pace and whether to finish on the track or not, and whether to run a hard last mile or just hard and steady for 15 minutes feeling like he "could run like that forever" ??? IT'S ALL UP TO HIM??? I really doubt someone could train this individual way and still be training with a team, unless that team is a team of JK runners, or is Rojo's team, ie, Cornell. Is THAT the team we are talking about? If so.....well Bruce, who are we talking about here?? Which teammate of yours is this? Or is this someone close to JK that made this "NIKE FREE" man up as a great example of what might work? NIKE FREE's whole approach, language, philosophy and development has a proximity to Bruce Hyde's that goes beyond coincidental. I smell BS here.

Other red flags:

* He forgets whether he was 19 or 20 years old as a frosh.

* He says his PR for 5k before all of this mileage/JK approach to training was "15:06", but the later says he was a "14:50" guy for 5k before his "experiment" began. Which was it?

* His new, recent PR in the 3000 is "8:07'ish" "ish" ??

* He sems to purposely misspell Bruce Hyde's name as "Bruce Hide" several times, even though he is obviously a JK disciple, and in fact says everyone in the world should read JK's Bruce Hyde article, which he posts. I think that was trying to throw us off the scent.

* His speed miraculously improves dramatically without any speed work. JK's belief to a "T".

* He acts very humble(to the point of exaggeration "you want to know what I think? Golly gee, I'm no one......but ok, since you insist I will post 10 pages of info"....), and calm, and even naive early on his posts, but then when someone questions hid identity/relationship with his coach, he FLIPS OUT, acting very angry. That was quite the 180degree turn. AND, like I said, he acts almost naive about training, but then suddenly is lecturing everyone on the history of training, and the nuances of LT and such. I just found his posts very strange and inconsistent.

* Lastly, this whole minimalist shoes, JK-phiolosophy, Bruce Hyde-improvements, progression runs, high EASY mileage thing just seemed a little too perfect, a little too text book, a little too Bruce Hyde-cloned, or JK's/Rojo's/Wejo's wet-dream-project.

Look, shut us up and prove that we are idiots and tell us who you are. You seem very intent on spreading the wisdom of your example to the masses, to help us runners, so REALLY help us by making us believe your tale. If not, then you didn't help at all, because it sounds false to me(and others I am sure). I will GLADLY eat my words, because frankly, I would prefer that your story is true. It is inspiring IF it is true.

But IS it????? I have my strong doubts.

(and people read this board a lot. If he does exist, with ALL those specifics he listed, and those huge improvements, and those ubiquitous Nike Frees, SOMEONE out there must know who he is. Again, but only if he exists. Since no one seems to know......I have my major doubts)

NIKE FREE.....you've been called out. Time to squash the doubters or be relegated to the letsrun trashbin of fake-PR-stories. Either you or someone who knows you needs to prove your existence. Time to stand up shut up.

this thread just got interesting

When they ask himm who he was - he simply never returned! LOL...LOL

It would be nice to know the truth. I mean, I was about to go jog 140 mpw....in Free's!

nike free me come clean wrote:

It would be nice to know the truth. I mean, I was about to go jog 140 mpw....in Free's!

Yeah, and don't they look so pretty below in the advertisement below? :-)

(hey, the US military paid Iraq papers to print positive stories in the Iraqi newspapers, and the Bush admin paid talk show hosts to talk up their programs on the radio, so would it be shocking if Nike and/or JK paid someone to make up some positive "nike free"/JK-is-a-genius threads on LetsRun? Since wejo supports these concepts, I guess actually no one needs to be paid, they just need wejo to not delete the posts).

FWIW, I just checked the Cornell/Ivy League performance listings, and no one fits a 4:10"ish"/8:07"ish" profile except a senior from Dartmouth who was running 8:12 in '04, so no big improvements there.

Hey, we could look at this as "conceptual" or "performance" art!

Yeah, maybe "NikeFreeMe" is the same guy who wrote "A Million Little Pieces".

Other people guessed he could be competing overseas, but I doubt it. How many other countries except the US have college sytems where the kids run 3 full seasons (cross, Indoor, and outdoor) at the same exact time we do. Not too many. But of course it would be easy to check those countries' college lists too for a phantom 14:12 sophmore.

The plot thickens, or thins as might be.

No one from or competing in Canada ran 14:12 last year outdoors. This according to the AthleticsCanada site.

I checked AthleticsUk, but the list did not go too deep. (not quite to 14:12), so I can't say for sure. BUT...I did check this year indoors, and no one ran 8:07 3k indoors in UK or Canada in 2006, so that rules out those areas.

According to USATF.ORG, only these 2 people ran 8:07 3k's on non-oversized tracks (the oversized track list is not as long as does not go back as far as 8:07):

8:07.14 1 David Nightingale Princeton 2/11 Cambridge

8:07.85 6 Galen Rupp Oregon 3/11 Fayetteville

And even though Alberto & Galen might want to promote Nike, we can be pretty sure this ain't Rupp.

David Nightingale did not 14:12 last spring from what I can see.

The times are just not adding up. Either this guy has fell through some of the cracks/gaps of the lists we have looked at, or he is lying.