Would never ask an autograph from a 3:35 guy. Was a teammate of 5 gold medalists, 3 world record holders. Hog nation, been beat by a lot, and beat a few….. let’s get triller signed .
Would never ask an autograph from a 3:35 guy. Was a teammate of 5 gold medalists, 3 world record holders. Hog nation, been beat by a lot, and beat a few….. let’s get triller signed .
1991premilechamp wrote:
pretzel man wrote:
What is the riddle to speed at 58 ?
3:35 1500m pace is 57 per lap average. I obviously have no idea what the 58 riddle is. Maybe as Graeme Fell?
I'll word it properly this time, what is the secret to running fast at 58 yrs old. Let's say at the 5K
I am now honored by a legends presence! A cage match would be awesome! I have no tattoos, piercings, or muscles to speak of but of course I would dominate. He is a 4:02 guy! The moment he gets in the ring he asks for my autograph and I clock him and win.
Don’t write checks that you can’t cash
Truthslayerz wrote:
Would never ask an autograph from a 3:35 guy. Was a teammate of 5 gold medalists, 3 world record holders. Hog nation, been beat by a lot, and beat a few….. let’s get triller signed .
I wouldn’t ask for my autograph either.
What a waist of ink.
I would ask for Jamey Harris’ though and he only ran 3:37. But he stuck his tongue out when celebrating his national win and there was still 40 meters to go. That and his nightly conquests were basically unbelievable. So, I have his, and that one is framed and on the wall.
Seems like you had some very fast, successful teammates. Since your name is Truthslayerz do you mind me asking why you bring up their accomplishments and not yours? 😀
Truthslayerz wrote:
I am now honored by a legends presence! A cage match would be awesome! I have no tattoos, piercings, or muscles to speak of but of course I would dominate. He is a 4:02 guy! The moment he gets in the ring he asks for my autograph and I clock him and win.
Don’t write checks that you can’t cash
Dude. Get back to your own thread. People really need to know what a 4:02 miler can tell us. Like Joe Falcon wants to know why he runs faster than that in a workout ladder.
Ps. You need to look a lot harder.
A lot harder.
As in much, much harder.
And hopefully one day you find your sense of humor. 😀
Didn’t somebody say hobby joggers are banned from posting on this thread ?
Appreciate the humor dude. Stay cool.
pretzel man wrote:
1991premilechamp wrote:
3:35 1500m pace is 57 per lap average. I obviously have no idea what the 58 riddle is. Maybe as Graeme Fell?
I'll word it properly this time, what is the secret to running fast at 58 yrs old. Let's say at the 5K
My bad for not getting it the first time.
I actually have no idea what so ever.
None.
I mean I have to take a flyer start just to beat my 7 year old in a race across the backyard.
Now, I can give you tips at 58 for parenting skills, financial investments, great Holliday places to go, early bird discount diner for seniors and advice on how to get an absolutely useless thread on a message board over 10 posts.
But running at 58? My body is way to worn out to do that Orr give any worthwhile advice about it.
1991premilechamp wrote:
Ask my anything. Running, life, money, cars, women, training, just don’t expect a serious reply.
Fire away.
You mentioned Agar in a previous post. He was one of many studs that the Lions turned out. Was a very smooth runner. A pleasure to watch.
But for sheer entertainment value I always enjoyed running with John Bowden. He’s show up in his Corvette, take of his shirt and then talk for an hour straight in one run-on sentence about banging fat chicks, while his mullet flapped in the wind. That said, he’s an intensely bright guy who raced like an animal.
I know he visited Arkansas when Hood was down there, but did you ever race or train with him at all?
Ottawa Lion wrote:
1991premilechamp wrote:
Ask my anything. Running, life, money, cars, women, training, just don’t expect a serious reply.
Fire away.
You mentioned Agar in a previous post. He was one of many studs that the Lions turned out. Was a very smooth runner. A pleasure to watch.
But for sheer entertainment value I always enjoyed running with John Bowden. He’s show up in his Corvette, take of his shirt and then talk for an hour straight in one run-on sentence about banging fat chicks, while his mullet flapped in the wind. That said, he’s an intensely bright guy who raced like an animal.
I know he visited Arkansas when Hood was down there, but did you ever race or train with him at all?
I know John. Very flamboyant guy, and yes, he had the best hair of all of us. He went to South Florida. I remember McDonnell talking about his visit to Hog land.
Never trained with him, raced him a few times. Never on a team with him or toured with him. I think he runs restaurants now. He was in Vegas for quite a bit. Probably a great guy to hang out with.
Dude, you gave me two of my favorite track-fan memories, and I've been watching track since the seventies. The first was an indoor race I saw on ESPN in the mid-eighties (I can't remember the distance), when you were completely boxed in on the last lap and your response was to slow down to a virtual crawl, let the entire pack pass you, then swing around every other runner in the field for the win. I would say that was the only time I've ever seen anything like that, except a few months later I was at a meet at the University of Tennessee when I recognized you in the race and started explaining to my friend what you'd done in that ESPN race and damned if you didn't do the exact same thing again.
So I guess my question is: How did you come up with this tactic of practically stopping in the middle of the last lap before speeding up again and passing everyone on the most circuitous possible outside route? And why did it never become more standard? Seemed like genius to me.
possibly your oldest fan wrote:
Dude, you gave me two of my favorite track-fan memories, and I've been watching track since the seventies. The first was an indoor race I saw on ESPN in the mid-eighties (I can't remember the distance), when you were completely boxed in on the last lap and your response was to slow down to a virtual crawl, let the entire pack pass you, then swing around every other runner in the field for the win. I would say that was the only time I've ever seen anything like that, except a few months later I was at a meet at the University of Tennessee when I recognized you in the race and started explaining to my friend what you'd done in that ESPN race and damned if you didn't do the exact same thing again.
So I guess my question is: How did you come up with this tactic of practically stopping in the middle of the last lap before speeding up again and passing everyone on the most circuitous possible outside route? And why did it never become more standard? Seemed like genius to me.
Snell did something like it in the '64 Tokyo 800m final. Got boxed-in in the last lap, dropped back and then went round the field. Seems to be the mark of a champion.
possibly your oldest fan wrote:
Dude, you gave me two of my favorite track-fan memories, and I've been watching track since the seventies. The first was an indoor race I saw on ESPN in the mid-eighties (I can't remember the distance), when you were completely boxed in on the last lap and your response was to slow down to a virtual crawl, let the entire pack pass you, then swing around every other runner in the field for the win. I would say that was the only time I've ever seen anything like that, except a few months later I was at a meet at the University of Tennessee when I recognized you in the race and started explaining to my friend what you'd done in that ESPN race and damned if you didn't do the exact same thing again.
So I guess my question is: How did you come up with this tactic of practically stopping in the middle of the last lap before speeding up again and passing everyone on the most circuitous possible outside route? And why did it never become more standard? Seemed like genius to me.
Thanks for the memories. I do recall both races.
First race was the Vitalis Olympic Invitational in the meadowlands ( the track where Coughlan ran 3:49). It was a 1000m in 1986. The race was loaded, and one of my first against world class competition. John Walker, Earl Jones, David Mack, Peter Rono, Sammy Koskei, Ray Brown, Miles Irish and John Marshall were in there.
Now, I have a long stride, so indoors on small tracks can be tough. As you say I got boxed in bad, but fortunately the pace was modest. Coming up to the bell Mack and I think Marshall had me boxed in at the back, so yes, out of desperation I slowed down so I could drop back to the rear and go around them. As I did so I then charged onto the penultimate corner and by the backstraight I was passing runners. Since pretty much each guy I was passed was a legend I was getting more and more wide eyed, and as I was doing so and I continued all the way to the tape nipping Ray Brown at the line. I know you remember me winning, but Sammy Koskei ( a 1:42 guy) actually was way ahead and he won, but I caught everyone else. More dumb running on my part than smart tactics. But I was happy beating all those good runners especially passing them on the last lap.
The Tennessee race was against less stellar competition and was a 1500m. Tom Black Classic. I had run a steeple / 5k double on the same day 6 days previously (conference) and my legs felt tight in this race. Again I got boxed in with the large field ( 16 or so runners ) and coming into the bell had to do the exact same move of slow down so I could be last and then start going around all the runners. Interestingly my teammate Gary Taylor was leading the race, and my other teammate Espen Borge jumped on my train when I went by him so we ended up going 1,2, 3 with Mike Stahr 4th and Ross Donaghue 5th.
Not the smartest of moves, more lucky than anything else that it worked. Probably not a good tactic to depend on. But I guess it looks good if it works. I have had about 10 people mention that Tennessee race to me over the years.
Thanks for being my oldest fan. I am honored and I appreciate the memories.
1991premilechamp wrote:
Kajak wrote:
The race in question.
You have seen, correct? Full screen it for full effect.
https://www.runnerspace.com/video.php?video_id=68339Post the two mile from that year. Now that was a race! This was a sit around and watch Doug outkick us boring race with nobody in it.
Doug, you laid the funk down in this race! Nice job.
Armstronglivs wrote:
possibly your oldest fan wrote:
Dude, you gave me two of my favorite track-fan memories, and I've been watching track since the seventies. The first was an indoor race I saw on ESPN in the mid-eighties (I can't remember the distance), when you were completely boxed in on the last lap and your response was to slow down to a virtual crawl, let the entire pack pass you, then swing around every other runner in the field for the win. I would say that was the only time I've ever seen anything like that, except a few months later I was at a meet at the University of Tennessee when I recognized you in the race and started explaining to my friend what you'd done in that ESPN race and damned if you didn't do the exact same thing again.
So I guess my question is: How did you come up with this tactic of practically stopping in the middle of the last lap before speeding up again and passing everyone on the most circuitous possible outside route? And why did it never become more standard? Seemed like genius to me.
Snell did something like it in the '64 Tokyo 800m final. Got boxed-in in the last lap, dropped back and then went round the field. Seems to be the mark of a champion.
Snell was the best runner in the world. He could do that in an Olympic Final. Very rare.
Great posts DC!! You luckily outkicked your coverage with that lovely Irish bride, but I suspect your humor and Canadian charm carried the day.
Great story about the Aggies failing to pick one of their own to win the 1500! Not even Mr Green or Joe threw in a buck just for honor?? I’m saddened at that revelation.
I ran my last indoor race with your 20 year old self in Toronto the result of which led me to realize that Finance and not repeat furlongs was what the future held for me.
Do in-laws get any family discount on those Admiral shares? And I wholeheartedly agree that Mr Walker was the most gracious track superstar!!
As long as you're still here posting,
1) how fast are you RIGHT NOW at 1500 or mile? Most recent PB
2) isn't it true that 47 year old Bernard Lagat could still run a sub 4 mile if he got the notion and trained a bit?
Bad Wigins wrote:
As long as you're still here posting,
1) how fast are you RIGHT NOW at 1500 or mile? Most recent PB
2) isn't it true that 47 year old Bernard Lagat could still run a sub 4 mile if he got the notion and trained a bit?
337 guy who's also old with an overly serious reply--since i could crush the old 335 guy RIGHT NOW in the 1500 or mile, i'll field this:
1) 335 guy could maybe break 4 minutes in the mile, the full mile, or 1500m, and maybe even 8 furlongs, but only if they're canadian metric minutes with a 100 seconds each. his most recent PBR was 2008, after which he started his slow, fulfilling, vitiating addiction to flying monkeys. the rest is infamy.
2) bernard could not run sub-4 in the mile right now, even if he trained a bit. he could easily break 4:10 in the mile, though, but i doubt he could go faster than 3:55.09 in the 1500m. only one american has gone that fast for the 45-49 age group, and he was, and is, >lagat, and will remain so until lagat does it in a race (and not during his practices, which he likely does in his training flats for a cool down)...
that's my story and i'm sticking to it,
cush
Most of that makes no sense at all, but I agree PBR is crappy beer and I wouldn't have had one since 2008 either if it weren't the cheapest 40 ouncer available.
What are your thoughts on Claymaximus Herron?
Or the French brothers, Jacques & Chien Strappe?
Aggie cousin wrote:
Great posts DC!! You luckily outkicked your coverage with that lovely Irish bride, but I suspect your humor and Canadian charm carried the day.
Great story about the Aggies failing to pick one of their own to win the 1500! Not even Mr Green or Joe threw in a buck just for honor?? I’m saddened at that revelation.
I ran my last indoor race with your 20 year old self in Toronto the result of which led me to realize that Finance and not repeat furlongs was what the future held for me.
Do in-laws get any family discount on those Admiral shares? And I wholeheartedly agree that Mr Walker was the most gracious track superstar!!
My wife of course was my greatest race and best kick. Thanks for the confirmation.
The Aggie story involved the Aggie pool which involves picking the top three in each distance event ( the one dollar betting is on winning time only, and that is done before each race). The pool has to be in before the first final occurs. But, yes even Joe or Peanut did not pick Harris. One Aggie had him third. That was it. I of course predicted the Aggie victory of the century! And my wife actually led the all night victory party parade in New Orleans after Harris’ victory. As a side note there was a tie breaker in case the Aggie pool was tied. Can anybody else remember what it was?
I remember that race with you! I was envious of your very prestigious AW singlet. Walker was actually in that race. Pretty sure both Of us were respectful enough to let him sneak by us. He was most definitely the man.
Since you are in finance I will even let you in on those shares. Now do I get in on your next Friends and Family shares on your next IPO placement? :)
Stay safe. Watch the cold food!
1991premilechamp wrote:
Ask my anything. Running, life, money, cars, women, training, just don’t expect a serious reply.
Fire away.
Do you ever tire of living in the past?