Does Hocker have the standard?
Does Hocker have the standard?
ck3237 wrote:
Does Hocker have the standard?
He does not need the standard. Whether he makes the team depends on whether he is on the World Athletics Qualified Athletes list. As of this morning, he was, but we won't know for sure until this evening b/c there were some folks racing today who could conceivabldy bump him off the list.
The US qualifying process has been discussed many times here in the last few days. I'll let you find the details.
This is Jim Kiler wrote:
pay attention wrote:
What global final has Jakob medaled in?
Not a lot happened in 2020, but there was a big meet that showed Tim and J.I. can pretty much frontrun almost four laps. Fast, too.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1w4XbiC-FK4
excellent post. this race shows that jakob is comfortable to set the pace for 3:30 or faster BY HIMSELF. He was 20 meters behind Tim and the pacers, leading the next pack, until around 700-800 to go.
4th place man craig engels beat wightman recently. Kerr and Wightman in similar fitness. Maybe wightman had bad day but i think centro and hocker could give the brits a run for their money.
After reading a lot of these post I'm always surprised how "USA centric" these people are. There is a fundamental lack of understanding for world class elite middle and long distance running. By world class standards this is a very soft men's 1500 meter team. All of them are going to have a hard time getting out of the qualifying rounds.
In no world can the reigning Olympic champ, the guy who beat him at the trials and a young prospect who just soloed a 334 be considered soft by global standards. Is it the best squad? No. But please go ahead and name the apparently huge list of countries that have a better 3 man squad. My guess is you will have trouble getting past 5.
highhoppingworm wrote:
In no world can the reigning Olympic champ, the guy who beat him at the trials and a young prospect who just soloed a 334 be considered soft by global standards. Is it the best squad? No. But please go ahead and name the apparently huge list of countries that have a better 3 man squad. My guess is you will have trouble getting past 5.
The reigning Olympic Champs PR is from 2015 and "ran" 3:50 to win in '16.
The US team will struggle to get out of the semis. If anyone does it will be Centro bc experience.
The 1500m is a deep event. It's gonna depend on who's in their heat/semi.
Take a look at the best 1500m times since 2018.
Alan
Alan,
The comment was around this being a soft team. Please list the countries with stronger overall teams.
In my opinion any country that is able to get 2 athletes into the final is killing it frankly. I think that is the over under for the US squad.
olyrun 1 wrote:
After reading a lot of these post I'm always surprised how "USA centric" these people are. There is a fundamental lack of understanding for world class elite middle and long distance running. By world class standards this is a very soft men's 1500 meter team. All of them are going to have a hard time getting out of the qualifying rounds.
The US has produced 2nd and 4th and 1st and 8th in the last two Olympics. A WC finalist in 2019 running at his career best level missed out on the team and was far behind the top two. Please explain to us why this team is notably weak.
Runningart2004 wrote:
The reigning Olympic Champs PR is from 2015 and "ran" 3:50 to win in '16.
The US team will struggle to get out of the semis. If anyone does it will be Centro bc experience.
The 1500m is a deep event. It's gonna depend on who's in their heat/semi.
Take a look at the best 1500m times since 2018.
Alan
Alan, the obsession with times is overblown. Cole Hocker dismantled numerous 3:33-3:36 guys all season by 2-4 seconds in championship races. Explain how that is possible if PBs are so important
If we're going with results and not time. Then it's almost worst, Centro last 2 major global races were an 8th place at 2019 World Champ in Doha, and an 8th place in Monaco Diamond race in 2018.
Cole hocker has raced 0 major gobal event.
I don't think any US athlete has a very good chance to finish in first 5 places.
And that's the reason why I think it is justifiable to say the 1500m US men team is pretty weak.
I think, Centro will finish 6-9th place.
The members of the men's 1500 meter team are ranked 38th, 45th and 47th currently in the world. If the Olympics were a true world championship and runners qualified strictly on merit all three would have a very hard time being selected. Just because they hang a medal around your neck and there is extensive media coverage doesn't make it worthy race.
People still not accepting the Centro 2016 gold medal 5 years later come on. World rankings are irrelevant, who cares they were literally just added as a device. Centro will bring the best medal collection to Tokyo and Hocker brings a spectacular kick. The rest of this is fancy time trials PRs. I’m familiar with Josh Kerr, he ran in the NCAAs, and Hocker showed more ability in 2 track seasons, so why is Kerr now above Hocker’s ceiling?
Finance Bro wrote:
Armstronglivs wrote:
Ryun was the reigning world record holder before Mexico (but was defeated by mono and altitude). A monster talent. Wottle was the co-equal world record holder for the 800 in '72 and one of the fastest in the mile. They had to be favoured in their events. However promising, Hocker has shown none of that kind of class. Unless it's a lottery, the best tend to win. He isnt.
Hocker hasn't shown that kind of class, but he also hasn't been in a position or had a chance to show that kind of class. It wouldn't be unreasonable to think Hocker is in 3:31 or so 1500m shape right now in a time trial type of race. With that kind of fitness and with the devastating finishing speed he's shown already, in a 3:34 - 3:38 type of race at the Olympics he could very well end up on the podium. Not saying he's a favorite to medal, but I like his odds as much as anyone not named Ingebrigtsen.
Well said. He's a chance to medal, with Jakob, Centro, Africans, Hoare, McSweyn and Brits. Most of us don't think he's a chance if the race is about 3.32 or faster, but none of us knows until then.
He's in the conversation but until we see the heats and semis and see what class is winning out, and see how fast the first 800m of the final is, we don't know. And even then, who knows. I don't see Jakob winning if it's a slow race like Rio, but who knows?
This is fun to read. World rankings mean nothing in a championship race.
Rabbited time trials in non pressure filled settings don’t mean much. Yeah, if you run 3:28 you’re a dope ass runner.
Dude that runs 3:32 in a time trial will likely get blown by at the end of a championship race by hocker or centro.
Pr’s are neat. Championship medals are neater.
bang bang bang wrote:
Hocker has a chance in a kicker's race but even without Cheriyout the 1500 could be fast. Jakob may see this race and decide to run a sub 3:30 in the Olympic final. Hocker is good but I'm not sure if he is that good.
Wheating ran 3:30 in his final year of college WITHOUT super shoes. Why can't Hocker run at least that?
Fat Slow Lurker wrote:
Realistically Hocker is about as good as Jakob was at the same age--which is a hell of an accomplishment in itself
You do realize they are both 20 right now?
Salvitore Stitchmo wrote:
subway eat fresh! wrote:
There's pretty much no way Jakob loses. Give it a few years, though, and it will be interesting
Okay how about this way...
59.xx @400m
2.01.xx @800m
2.56.xx @1200m
25.5 last 200m
Because Jakob doesn't beat Hocker in that type of race. So that was quite simple.
I usually defend Hocker against the haters on the boards but I think saying he has a good shot of beating Jakob is a real stretch. I say Hocker has a good chance of getting a medal, especially without Tim essentially guaranteeing a time trial like race. He has showcased an incredible kick on multiple occasions, and he has risen to the top of the US like no other miler at his age since Jim Ryun. But Jakob Ingebrigsten did the same thing to the world,not just his own country and he is on the all time top 10 world list. Hocker does not make the US top 10 list. There are many other runners in the potential Olympic field that have better far better credentials than Hocker, despite that I give him the benefit of the doubt and say that he will medal, because of his amazing kick and his ability to run to the level of his competition. But he will not beat Jakob.
Sadly no Cheruiyot this year.
NOR, GBR, KEN, ETH....will all bring a faster 1500m team than the US. AUS even has a faster team.
Unless they go stupid again like in 2016 when Centro won.....the winning time will be 3:33-34. The heats and semis will be loaded with guys much faster than ours. 2 will be left hanging. 1 will be in the final. My money is on Centro in the final but out of the medals.
Same this post. Come back and make fun of me if I'm wrong lol
Alan