Went as expected, 1:46,44 Jakob 1:46,74 Filip. Solid run
Went as expected, 1:46,44 Jakob 1:46,74 Filip. Solid run
Looks like 1:46.4
SprintTriathlon wrote:
Take your petty words about each another place.
Mind your own business, Norwegian troll.
Jombaz wrote:
Went as expected, 1:46,44 Jakob 1:46,74 Filip. Solid run
Absolutely!
Good performance from both.
Exactly as I predicted it, not surprised he couldn't run sub 1:46 despite his massive endurance and aerobic strength.
Coevett was way off with his 1:43/1:44. Just accept the fact that he is primarily slow-twitch, and will always be. 1:46 is still a fantastic time for a long-distance specialist. He even gained weight/power for this race, but he can't change his muscle fiber physiology in his legs. Very good race, he should be happy with it as 1500/5k/10k runner.
ex-runner wrote:
Coevett wrote:
Again, Weldon asked me to be civil so I'm going to try my best. Obviously you weren't given the same message.
You understood perfectly what I said.
Amos can threaten the WR a couple of weeks after appearing to be out of form and I've 'never set foot on a track' for not understanding athletes can peak suddenly and then dip in such short timeframes, and yet you assume Aouita could have ran the same times in 88 when training for the 800m as he did in 87 and 89 when training for the 5000m (not to mention he was objectively slower in 88 at distances longer than 800)?
Are you actually interested in having a fair and reasonable discussion?
Sometimes, rarely, you do make a valid point. When you do so, I just think to myself - 'fair enough, he's right there this time'.
When you see I make a fair point, you just shout idiot at me and look for a way to pick a fight, or as above, when you can't actually make a point against me, you just claim you don't understand.
Btw, I was reading a recent interview with Aouita and he was asked if doping was a problem in his era as it is evidently today. He replied he didn't think so, but he did have occasional suspicions about competitors who would run one week and not the next.
Aouita knows nothing about track!
You are taking the Amos statement completely out of context. He had injury issues.
Aouita won many 1500 and mile races in 1988 including a 3:50. In 1987 he ran 1:44, 3:30, 3:46 and 12:58. What actually is your point?
Jakob is going to struggle to run 1:45 and you think that makes him superior to Aouita who ran 1:43 and a few 1:44s throughout his career, and won international medals in the 800, 1500, 3000 and 5000. I just don't understand it.
What fair point have you made?
That Jakob is better than multiple champion and world record breaker Aouita? Because he ran 3:30 in a time trial, didn't win a single race over any distance and came 4th at world's?
And now that you know more about track and field than Aouita?
You are being an idiot here, I don't need to shout it.
Well, 1:46.5 for both brothers. Slower than I expected to be honest.
Aouita's career is in ruins, hopefully nobody tells him.
slowwer wrote:
Jombaz wrote:
Went as expected, 1:46,44 Jakob 1:46,74 Filip. Solid run
Absolutely!
Good performance from both.
As expected. No sub-1.45 in sight - let alone 1.43 or thereabouts.
ex-runner wrote:
ex-runner wrote:
You are taking the Amos statement completely out of context. He had injury issues.
Aouita won many 1500 and mile races in 1988 including a 3:50. In 1987 he ran 1:44, 3:30, 3:46 and 12:58. What actually is your point?
Jakob is going to struggle to run 1:45 and you think that makes him superior to Aouita who ran 1:43 and a few 1:44s throughout his career, and won international medals in the 800, 1500, 3000 and 5000. I just don't understand it.
What fair point have you made?
That Jakob is better than multiple champion and world record breaker Aouita? Because he ran 3:30 in a time trial, didn't win a single race over any distance and came 4th at world's?
And now that you know more about track and field than Aouita?
You are being an idiot here, I don't need to shout it.
Well, 1:46.5 for both brothers. Slower than I expected to be honest.
Aouita's career is in ruins, hopefully nobody tells him.
About what I thought they would run. Yes, I don't think Aouita's career is about to be surpassed yet.
For now, he's a 1500-5,000 runner. This was a solid performance, but I would like to see him when he is fully tuned up for speed in a faster-paced race. I think if he goes through in 51 high on the right day we might even see 1:44 high/1:45 low. With the conservative first lap ~52.9 for Jakob, a sub 1:46 was going to be very tough. Granted, there's really no need for him to chase a fast 800 mark.
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THOUGHTSLEADER wrote:
Granted, there's really no need for him to chase a fast 800 mark.
Somewhat true, but there IS a real need for him to develop more speed. He lost the indoor 2019 European double (1500/3k) because Lewandowski outkicked him.
He could not medal in Doha because Lewandowski and Makloufhi again were faster. If he wants to be considered a serious threat in the Olympics next year, he has to find a way to beat these guys (Tim seems out of reach for anyone right now).
If running an 800 is an end-product of him doing more speed training or working on his ability to finish a 1500 fast, then it seems to be purposeful.
THOUGHTSLEADER wrote:
For now, he's a 1500-5,000 runner. This was a solid performance, but I would like to see him when he is fully tuned up for speed in a faster-paced race. I think if he goes through in 51 high on the right day we might even see 1:44 high/1:45 low. With the conservative first lap ~52.9 for Jakob, a sub 1:46 was going to be very tough. Granted, there's really no need for him to chase a fast 800 mark.
Going through the 400m one second faster would somehow result in him also running the second lap faster (which is what would be necessary for 1:44 high)?
the beagle wrote:
Going through the 400m one second faster would somehow result in him also running the second lap faster (which is what would be necessary for 1:44 high)?
Of course not. As I said - on the right day in the future. He's very young and racing in a low-key meet during the Pandemic against his brother in the midst of COVID-19. I do not think this is the best time for his lifetime 800 PB.
LateRunnerPhil wrote:
THOUGHTSLEADER wrote:
Granted, there's really no need for him to chase a fast 800 mark.
Somewhat true, but there IS a real need for him to develop more speed. He lost the indoor 2019 European double (1500/3k) because Lewandowski outkicked him.
He could not medal in Doha because Lewandowski and Makloufhi again were faster. If he wants to be considered a serious threat in the Olympics next year, he has to find a way to beat these guys (Tim seems out of reach for anyone right now).
If running an 800 is an end-product of him doing more speed training or working on his ability to finish a 1500 fast, then it seems to be purposeful.
I'm not the biggest fan of Jakob, but to be fair he had the 5k races in the legs in the 1500m final. If he just went for the 1500 it's likely he medals.
Yes, on the right day. Not today. If those 2 are in a race with 6 guys running 1:43-1:44 going out in 50.5, they would not fall 20 meters behind at any point in the race. Not happening. I think they both are capable of 1:43.9 and would run 1:44.9 in a real race next week.
LateRunnerPhil wrote:
Somewhat true, but there IS a real need for him to develop more speed. He lost the indoor 2019 European double (1500/3k) because Lewandowski outkicked him.
He could not medal in Doha because Lewandowski and Makloufhi again were faster. If he wants to be considered a serious threat in the Olympics next year, he has to find a way to beat these guys (Tim seems out of reach for anyone right now).
If running an 800 is an end-product of him doing more speed training or working on his ability to finish a 1500 fast, then it seems to be purposeful.
We've disagreed on this one in the past. Yes, he could be served by improving his finish. However, he didn't medal in Doha because of both fatigue from the 5,000 and poor tactics in the 1,500. He ran a ton of extra distance and positioned himself poorly throughout. It was a fast race and he was hyper-active and running extra distance like it was a slow and save-for-the-kick one. It was not due to a lack of speed.
Sure, it'd be great if he could put a fast 800 down, but I think he is a serious threat for silver/bronze merely if he continues to get faster (happening) and avoids tactical errors that let late closers (Lewandowski) and steadier guys (Makh) defeat him even if he's faster on paper.
THOUGHTSLEADER wrote:
For now, he's a 1500-5,000 runner. This was a solid performance, but I would like to see him when he is fully tuned up for speed in a faster-paced race. I think if he goes through in 51 high on the right day we might even see 1:44 high/1:45 low. With the conservative first lap ~52.9 for Jakob, a sub 1:46 was going to be very tough. Granted, there's really no need for him to chase a fast 800 mark.
True going through 400m in 51 high could make a difference.
Also did anyone noticed that his 3rd 200m was slow? I think he could make up some time by attacking that 3rd 200m, not stay behind Flip and have a very fast last 100m
TheXCrunner wrote:
THOUGHTSLEADER wrote:
For now, he's a 1500-5,000 runner. This was a solid performance, but I would like to see him when he is fully tuned up for speed in a faster-paced race. I think if he goes through in 51 high on the right day we might even see 1:44 high/1:45 low. With the conservative first lap ~52.9 for Jakob, a sub 1:46 was going to be very tough. Granted, there's really no need for him to chase a fast 800 mark.
True going through 400m in 51 high could make a difference.
Also did anyone noticed that his 3rd 200m was slow? I think he could make up some time by attacking that 3rd 200m, not stay behind Flip and have a very fast last 100m
Just posted this on a different thread - third 200m was slow. If they'd gone through a second quicker and kept the pace, which I believe they could have, 1:45 flat was on the cards.
Salvatore Stitchmo wrote:
Let's stop the f%$king around.
1.46.37 for Jakob
prediction locked in
Well done.
At his current form 1:45:5 would be his max in any race, but that is not so bad for a 19 year old two mile specialist.