Ramzi = Drugs ??

His form indicates nothing of the kind. Because he won two races in good times means he's ready to set world records? I think not.

The reason Ramzi won is that Borza could not figure out which lane to use in order to make his move. At 180m to go he was moving up on the leaders then swung inside and got trapped, then didn't get back outside till 80m to go, Ramzi was gone at that point. At 150m to Ramzi moved quickly outside and began his sprint for the finish, that is why he won.

Just a thought on doping. Some have said Seb Coe was drugged up. If todays runners are also drugged up, then why are Coe's times still so far superior, better drugs back then???

Surprise! wrote:

His form indicates nothing of the kind. Because he won two races in good times means he's ready to set world records? I think not.

No, read again, he won 6 races in a week against the best in the world, most of whom were running 3 max in the same period, and beat them every time relatively easy.

No one other than absoloute supreme dominators like snell, guerrouj, nurmi, juanetera (sp?) pull off doubles like this and they all reset world marks.

ramzi = drugs

For all of you that are sure he's on drugs, why post under pseudonyms? If you're that convinced, be accountable for your close-to-libellous statements.

Innocent until proven guilty.

How many YEARS did Eddy Hellyshmuck and Drugenia Jacobs cheat before they were caught??? Do you not think they were tested many many many times during the years they were cheating. Just because someone hasn't failed a drug test doesn't mean they're not on drugs. People need to open their eyes.

If he were a black African no one would say anything. Only white guys and Arabs can be bad guys. Look at Lagat who let off on a "technicality" according to the IAAF, not the purported, magical "false positive" so many claim.

Ok.,.. Here are his WC times

1500

Aug 6 3:38.32

Aug 8 3:34.68

Aug 10 3:37.58

800

Aug 11 1:46.17

Aug 12 1:44.30

Aug 14 1:44.24

Note what he ran, was it anything spectacular? Not Really. He won a heat of teh 80o in 1:46.17, I mean yeesh, its not like he was flying. For a guy who can go 3:30.ish he ran 5 seconds slower than his pr at the fastest.

He's not on drugs the guy just knows how to race.

I dont buy it for a second. While none of his races were THAT spectacular (as far as times go), one has to remember that he beat the BEST in the WORLD. He ran 6 races in an 8 day period with the best the world has to offer in 2006 (while most ran only 3 races) and prevailed every time. Being reasonable, that is VERY hard to believe.

Einstein JR wrote:

I dont buy it for a second. While none of his races were THAT spectacular (as far as times go), one has to remember that he beat the BEST in the WORLD. He ran 6 races in an 8 day period with the best the world has to offer in 2006 (while most ran only 3 races) and prevailed every time. Being reasonable, that is VERY hard to believe.

Just to be a smartass.... he didn't beat the best in the world if he IS the best in the world. And, given the fact that he just won to World Championship races.....*ahem*

This speculation is a pointless... stupid waste of time. If somebody saw him shooting up.... lets hear about it. Otherwise.. what are you going to accomplish by arguing about it?

Just because the guys times were nothing spectacular doesnt mean that the feat he accomplished wasnt amazing. Now, one can argue that it was a down year for the 8 and 15, but he still pulled off a near impossible double for a guy who only two years ago hadnt been breaking 3:40. I'll be damned if I'm going to believe that this guy not only dropped his time by so much in two years, but also managed to double up at the world championships with such a controlled demeanor, all while avoiding accusations after his brother's coach got busted. We all know that just because this guy has been tested doesnt mean that hes clean; just look at the ones that have been caught, how many times have they been tested before tests were finally designed to catch them. And we also know that the way track is going, its no longer innocent untill proven guilty, I mean how many people must have felt like assholes for sticking up for runners that looked far less giulty this this former training bitch turned 2 time world champ. Lets be serious, the guys drugged up.

sandbag wrote: but he still pulled off a near impossible double for a guy who only two years ago hadnt been breaking 3:40. .

What part of this don't you understand? He ran 339 two years ago, going UNDEFEATED, NOT being allowed to race in any big meets, and the only time he got some competition. Shaheen (world record holder in the SC) Ramzi beat him head to head in the asian games.

He only ran in meets in MAY, and SEPT AND OCTOBER! and DID NOT LOSE. He paced El G the rest of the year and trained with him. Shaheen had a 335 pr that year and Ramzi left him behind when he raced him. Will people stop acting like this guy came from no where? He just never had the chances do to his obligations to El G.

Keepin' it Real, how many times do you have to be told that Lagat did not get off on a goddamn technicality. His B sample passed. An A sample is only a preliminary test to determine whether or not to carry out a second B sample. Since the A sample tested positive the B sample was subsequently tested; this test was negative. And, no he didn't have time to clear out his system before the B sample was drawn... it was taken at the same time. So please pipe down about the Lagat crap.

E wrote:

Keepin' it Real, how many times do you have to be told that Lagat did not get off on a goddamn technicality. His B sample passed.

How come the only athletes that get wrongly caught are stars? How come we never hear of a false positive for some also ran? Lagat was a bloddy cheat.

Druggers wrote:

How many YEARS did Eddy Hellyshmuck and Drugenia Jacobs cheat before they were caught??? Do you not think they were tested many many many times during the years they were cheating. Just because someone hasn't failed a drug test doesn't mean they're not on drugs. People need to open their eyes.

unfortunately they seemed to fall under the control of the US system which was not looking for the truth.

E wrote:

Keepin' it Real, how many times do you have to be told that Lagat did not get off on a goddamn technicality. His B sample passed. An A sample is only a preliminary test to determine whether or not to carry out a second B sample. Since the A sample tested positive the B sample was subsequently tested; this test was negative. And, no he didn't have time to clear out his system before the B sample was drawn... it was taken at the same time. So please pipe down about the Lagat crap.

Not true. The IAAF says Lagat was let off on a "technicality" and also told his manager to shut his mouth regarding bogus accusations of faulty testing and false positives, or he would be banned from the sport. Lagat is a cheat, and politics saved his ass.

sheister wrote:

No one other than absoloute supreme dominators like snell, guerrouj, nurmi, juanetera (sp?) pull off doubles like this and they all reset world marks.

Kelly Holmes?

I'll be real too wrote:

Lagat is a cheat, and politics saved his ass.

and he is American, just goes to show, guilty by association

He's the guy who ended El g's 29race [or what ever] winning streak. He's the guy who had El g in tears before the last Olympics. Perhaps this was before you got into running.