ultra doping wrote:
Isn’t Jim the exact kind of guy who Sage is referring to when he constantly brings up the lack of drug testing and likely PED use in ultramarathons? Seems like there has been a lot of questions asked about his huge mileage and ability to recover which is suggestive of some outside assistance. Not sure Jim wants to throw stones until he starts getting tested at least as much as Galen does.
Paging Mr. Canaday...Mr. Sage Canaday.
Propsmaster General wrote:
Jambo Cabao wrote:
You'd have to be an assshole to not route for Rupp. He's the greatest American distance runner in generations, and the very best of the era that got us out of the dark ages. How do you not route for the guy you were so desperate we'd eventually have, circa 2003?
Guess I'm an assshole, then. I'm not route-ing for Rupp, or rooting for that matter. I give him a lot of credit for almost always delivering. However, a number of factors contribute to why a person might choose not to root for Rupp - how he had everything provided for him from a young age; the way he came across as a privileged aristocrat with his own agenda while at U of O; and most of all, the close association with Salazar.
He may be a pleasant guy; I don't know. But you can't expect everybody to root for him. Some people will root for the top American no matter what, but there are many others like me who don't work that way.
Dude come on now. At mile 26 of the Tokyo marathon where Rupp is in a group of 3 or 4 runners you are NOT gonna be route-ing for Rupp? I'll be yelling myself hoarse for him.
sillyman wrote:
zoomx83 wrote:
The trials run was a brilliant move by Walmsley, as is this. He stirs it up some, the games do or do not happen, Rupp finishes wherever.
Then Walmsley wins Comrades, and the story reads "Sure Rupp was 6th, but Walmsley first at an even longer race." Oh, and Rupp's former coach won there, too, will Rupp rise to the challenge?
Welcome to earth.
No one cares about Walmsley. He runs in an event no one cares about.
He finished over a mile behind Rupp He doesn't get to fire shots. When he can run within 2 minutes, or be with Rupp in sight of the finish line he can talk.
Rupp's PR puts him over a mile behind the WR, and other Americans are hoping to be fast enough to be two miles back.
See how that works?
What is WS100?
try getting out of your mothers basement and see the world wrote:
Walmsley goes on the offensive:
I would say me and most other people aren’t rooting for Galen.
There’s no doubt that he’s an extremely talented, extremely hardworking athlete. One of the most amazing things about him, especially with recent stuff, is that he shows up on race day and he gets the job done and executes his best race plan. He’s a great competitor. Not necessarily rooting for him.
Will Rupp rise to this?
Who would win a fistfight between Jim and Galen?
https://slate.com/culture/2020/03/jim-walmsley-olympic-marathon-trial-results-interview.html
Oh look another ultra dork with a bruised ego.
There’s a reason Jim went from being mediocre where there’s competition to a living legend where there is none.
zoomx83 wrote:
Rupp's PR puts him over a mile behind the WR,
False.
bangdingow wrote:
What is WS100?
WS100 = Western States 100
It's a small 100 mile race which some consider the first trail 100 miler ever.
In the beginning the race was 88 miles long. It took them some years to finally get it up to 100 miles in 1985 I believe.
Lots of myth about this race. Since it's grandfathered in, they can have 365 ish runners every year which creates a huge hype about the lottery where thousands try to get in every year.
Since it's so difficult to get in you don't see many top European runners trying it. There are just too many hoops to jump through.
No Walmsely fanboy wrote:
bangdingow wrote:
What is WS100?
WS100 = Western States 100
It's a small 100 mile race which some consider the first trail 100 miler ever.
In the beginning the race was 88 miles long. It took them some years to finally get it up to 100 miles in 1985 I believe.
Lots of myth about this race. Since it's grandfathered in, they can have 365 ish runners every year which creates a huge hype about the lottery where thousands try to get in every year.
Since it's so difficult to get in you don't see many top European runners trying it. There are just too many hoops to jump through.
And this 'JimWalmsley' has won it twice? He must be some runner.
jobros wrote:
How competitive is Comrades?
I imagine Wamsley can run the ultra equivalent of a 2:09 or better there. Maybe even 2:07 equivalent since he has skill on technical downhills.
I never hear about it, except the year Salazar won, which does not give any information about how competitive the other runners were besides slower than him.
Must be lonely in that basement all the years. What you been up to there/
No one runs the '2:09 equivalent'...what the heck is that?
The 'up ' record (5:24) is held by tainted Olympian Leonid Schvetsov who has a 2;09 and 2:10 to his name.
His down record of 5:20 was broken by David Gatebe in 5:18 who has a marathon best of 'only' 2:15
The all time great, Bruce Fordyce who won 9 times (and who's 50M record Walmsley beat), had a marathon PB of 'only' 2:17
So 'what' is a 2:09 or 2:07. It always comes down to the person that has run the most strategic pace , hardly ever a leader at midway. If Walmsley goes with the lead pack, as he is accustomed to, then he is unlikely to win.
He is going to have 'name' runners around him ,some of whom will pick up/drop pace...what does he do? It is unlike running alone to a 50M record.
It is the biggest Ultra in the world, up to over 20,000 runners all of whom have a marathon qualifying time.
It is screened live on Youtube by the national broadcasters so even people in basements on the other side of world can see it.
and as for his comments about Rupp, sounds childish to me
bangdingow wrote:
And this 'JimWalmsley' has won it twice? He must be some runner.
I googled it. The Wikipedia page shows that a lot of guys have won it twice, but a guy named Scott Jurek won it 7 years in a row. So Jim is nowhere near to being the best ultrarunner unless he wins it the next 5 years too. I don't even think people can talk about Jim as being a great ultrarunner yet given that apparently the "WS100 wins" is the measure for a great ultrarunner. Seems like he's ok, but has a way to go yet. Explains his 22nd place finish in the marathon, he's just not that good.
I am Sam wrote:
jobros wrote:
How competitive is Comrades?
I imagine Wamsley can run the ultra equivalent of a 2:09 or better there. Maybe even 2:07 equivalent since he has skill on technical downhills.
I never hear about it, except the year Salazar won, which does not give any information about how competitive the other runners were besides slower than him.
Must be lonely in that basement all the years. What you been up to there/
No one runs the '2:09 equivalent'...what the heck is that?
Jesus, man. Even following running indicates low social skills. Following esoteric running indicates your friends probably wear Vibrams and did not get laid until they were over 30.
In terms of competitive performance. i.e., sub-10 in the 100m is similarly competitive to 27:25.
Maybe I have proven my point if you could not handle something not literal.
I am Sam wrote:
and as for his comments about Rupp, sounds childish to me
He was asked a question and answered it honestly. I respect that more than lying with some fluffy adoration statement.
SDSU Aztec wrote:
The timing of it makes it 100% sour grapes.
You think Walmsley just came out and said this without any prompting? Or do you think he should have answered dishonestly because of the race that just happened?
Walmsley is responding to a question that specifically asked how the Salazar ban played into whether Walmsley was rooting for Rupp. Walmsley didn't fire shots. Maybe the interviewer did. Walmsley just answered the question honestly. What's the big deal?
jobros wrote:
Jesus, man. Even following running indicates low social skills. Following esoteric running indicates your friends probably wear Vibrams and did not get laid until they were over 30.
In terms of competitive performance. i.e., sub-10 in the 100m is similarly competitive to 27:25.
Maybe I have proven my point if you could not handle something not literal.
...and following Tennis, or NFL isn't...gee besides being in a basement you can't seem to 'chew gum and walk at the same time'.
Idiot.
'Esoteric' is Western States, UTMB etc, boutique events with no relativity
....an ultra that has been going for 100 years, that attracts over 20,000 competitors , including internationally know runners, in the country with the biggest road running participation on an official club registered level in world and on a fun run level the biggest Park Run attendances in world...
...is anything but esoteric
Tell me something that is truly international that you americans are the biggest at....you are in basement in a country that geographically dissociates from the rest of world, which is why you know nothing outside of your bubble.
And yes, maybe sub 10 is equivalent to 27:30...so tell me what a 2;09 equivalent Comrades is, or do you not understand that it is a 90km 'race' not a time trial
ATLien wrote:
Walmsley is responding to a question that specifically asked how the Salazar ban played into whether Walmsley was rooting for Rupp. Walmsley didn't fire shots. Maybe the interviewer did. Walmsley just answered the question honestly. What's the big deal?
This what he said:
"I would say me and most other people aren’t rooting for Galen."
If he was a class act he would keep his opinion to himself and who was it that appointed him as the spokesperson for "most other people".
Again, he badmouthed a far superior runner. Is he trying to discount Rupp's win?
Here’s a story that I think is relevant to this...
I had a teammate start telling me I needed to correct my arm carriage this XC season and this branched into him trying to critique me all the time. I eventually said, “shut up, you have a 21 minute 5K and you have yet to break 3 in the 800. You don’t get to criticize me.” and that was the end of it.
ruppisgod wrote:
Here’s a story that I think is relevant to this...
I had a teammate start telling me I needed to correct my arm carriage this XC season and this branched into him trying to critique me all the time. I eventually said, “shut up, you have a 21 minute 5K and you have yet to break 3 in the 800. You don’t get to criticize me.” and that was the end of it.
That runner went on to be Tommy Schwartz.
In all serious though, go Rupp! I’ve been a fan since we were both HS runners in 2003. I had the opportunity to run with him in 2011 and he was a down-to-Earth, super humble guy.
SDSU Aztec wrote:
ATLien wrote:
Walmsley is responding to a question that specifically asked how the Salazar ban played into whether Walmsley was rooting for Rupp. Walmsley didn't fire shots. Maybe the interviewer did. Walmsley just answered the question honestly. What's the big deal?
This what he said:
"I would say me and most other people aren’t rooting for Galen."
If he was a class act he would keep his opinion to himself and who was it that appointed him as the spokesperson for "most other people".
Again, he badmouthed a far superior runner. Is he trying to discount Rupp's win?
So when interviewers ask runners questions that you don’t like their honest answer to, you think that they should just sit there silently and hope the person just moves on. Cool.