Elizabeth Warren weighs in on the issue of transgender athletes dominating women's sports

turbidity wrote:

Cuckoldistan wrote:

The rest of society doesn't commit suicide at a 43% rate. How exactly is that not a mental disorder?

OK, so we are dealing with a mental disorder as you say. I don't personally believe trans are dealing with a mental illness, but you obviously do so lets treat it like it is one.

How would you treat this mental illness. We have not found a better way than transitioning someone so why shouldn't we. Obviously there are some complications with sports and other physical activities, but we should treat people in the best way we know how to, which in this case is transitioning.

Why not ? Let them change their body. But they should be excluded from qualifying for woman category

Geronimo Gants wrote:

Why not ? Let them change their body.

There are plenty good reasons to not permanently mutilate your body as a teen

Hardloper wrote:

Geronimo Gants wrote:

Why not ? Let them change their body.

There are plenty good reasons to not permanently mutilate your body as a teen

You are right. Let them take the decision at 18.

I had plastic surgery and I now look like a 16 year old and I identify as one but the Government won't let me change my age but they will let me change my gender.

I fully support trans athletes. They show women's sports for what it is. An artificial category for less talented humans. time for equality

track chick wrote:

this is the end . wrote:

Trans people are disgusting and mentally deranged. This is common sense and has been the accepted viewpoint of all societies since the beginning of time.

No they aren't. Have you ever met anyone who is trans? You could say the same for a large portion of society. However, when it comes to sport, I don't believe it's fair and I don't believe decades of training as a man can instantly be discounted as some people seem to believe.

Strange argument. People who are just easily sad and dont know what to do can go to a psychologist and can be considered ill. Thats not a bad thing. People should get help and very often emotional problems are based on hormone problems. So you tell me thinking you are the wrong gender without factual proove is no illness but depression is?

Well said.

Here's where I struggle to follow the logic of the trans community - they have been claiming that gender is "non-binary" right? So they argue there aren't only two gender definitions (the traditional male/female). So, why then are they trying to compete against a gender other than theirs? Shouldn't they be pushing for their own gender category? Or does the "gender is non-binary" only apply when it's convenient?

If they believe in more than two genders, then they must know whatever category beyond those two they place themselves in, has an advantage over the traditional female category when it comes to sports. Do they not feel bad about that?

Geronimo Gants wrote:

Hardloper wrote:

There are plenty good reasons to not permanently mutilate your body as a teen

You are right. Let them take the decision at 18.

I believe that's why some states, including California, don't want to require hormone treatments for transgender athletes.

this is the end . wrote:

Cuckoldistan wrote:

The rest of society doesn't commit suicide at a 43% rate. How exactly is that not a mental disorder?

43% of the population kills themselves?

Are you that ignorant?

My b, it was 43% of the trans population attempts suicide, not commits. Still a mental disorder.

I have met one transgender woman. She was very clearly mentally ill and in treatment before her transition. She does seem to be generally happier now. Perhaps her transition was necessary, but it also destroyed her marriage and family; her former spouse was not interested in being married to another woman. And this transgender woman does have very clear athletic advantages based on the 30 years she spent as a male and her male biology, including size and strength and the fact that she doesn't have a uterus and never has a period.

All these facts can be true at the same time. Athletic competitions with women as a protected class should take the facts into consideration rather than decide based on politics that transgender women should be treated just like any other woman.

The Arizona bill requires an athlete invasive gender testing which is ridiculous.

In Connecticut, an athlete can simply identify as female without any medical basis.

These positions are polar opposites, both don't make sense and both are unlikely to withstand legal challenges.

Why can't we just have common sense rules?

Let all XX people compete as women and everyone else compete as men. No invasive gender testing needed.

Its not a perfect rule. But its the only rule that makes sense.

greenliner wrote:

Yet another assh!t posting an anti-trans article. Letsrun is embarrassing in this regard.

Inject testosterone

Joplas wrote:

The Arizona bill requires an athlete invasive gender testing which is ridiculous.

In Connecticut, an athlete can simply identify as female without any medical basis.

These positions are polar opposites, both don't make sense and both are unlikely to withstand legal challenges.

Why can't we just have common sense rules?

Let all XX people compete as women and everyone else compete as men. No invasive gender testing needed.

Its not a perfect rule. But its the only rule that makes sense.

What is invasive about gender testing? How is it more invasive than doping testing, where the doping testers are literally watching your dick, to make sure it is your p*ss that is being collected?

Also because there is no clear definition of what constitutes a female body part or female testosterone levels, I would imagine that all Trans people need to do is find a doctor who supports the Trans agenda. Remember that some people are born with both male and female body parts.

Not surprised that someone who falsely identified as a native American supports other insaniacs & opportunists who identify as the opposite gender!

Joplas wrote:

The Arizona bill requires an athlete invasive gender testing which is ridiculous.

In Connecticut, an athlete can simply identify as female without any medical basis.

These positions are polar opposites, both don't make sense and both are unlikely to withstand legal challenges.

Why can't we just have common sense rules?

Let all XX people compete as women and everyone else compete as men. No invasive gender testing needed.

Its not a perfect rule. But its the only rule that makes sense.

This rule is terrible.

There are real men who are XX chromosomes.

The Y chromosome make an individual male because of a SRY gene. The SRY gene can "jump" and locate itself on a X chromosome in some male. If these male have a spermatozoid with a X chromosome having the SRY gene, his son will have XX chromosme but develop like a normal male.

Joplas wrote:

Also because there is no clear definition of what constitutes a female body part or female testosterone levels, I would imagine that all Trans people need to do is find a doctor who supports the Trans agenda. Remember that some people are born with both male and female body parts.

How do you find a doctor that supports the trans agenda? What is the trans agenda? I thought vaginas and ovaries are clearly defined as being female body parts.

Within barely 20 years, the Jerry Springer show has come true.