So what's illegal about Washington's indoor track? Sure it is oversized at something like 307m. What's the big deal? Other meets including the NCAA use the marks performed there for entry into indoor national meets.
So what's illegal about Washington's indoor track? Sure it is oversized at something like 307m. What's the big deal? Other meets including the NCAA use the marks performed there for entry into indoor national meets.
wejo wrote:
The IAAF/ USATF needs to have blackout periods around national championships where non-collegiate athletes can't compete.
No they don't. That's exactly what we fought against the AAU back in the 70s. The IAAF/ USATF should never be allowed to restrict any athlete's right to determine when and where they choose to race. NEVER.
Sour Grapes wrote:
So what's illegal about Washington's indoor track? Sure it is oversized at something like 307m. What's the big deal? Other meets including the NCAA use the marks performed there for entry into indoor national meets.
It is a bogus attribution. A flat 300m track is no faster than a banked 200m. Technically not legal for records, that needs to be overturned.
Indoor track is stupid, so who cares.
malmo wrote:
wejo wrote:
The IAAF/ USATF needs to have blackout periods around national championships where non-collegiate athletes can't compete.
No they don't. That's exactly what we fought against the AAU back in the 70s. The IAAF/ USATF should never be allowed to restrict any athlete's right to determine when and where they choose to race. NEVER.
wow thats what you guys fought for? I guess that is why almost no one but the top runners make any money.... hey but at least they can drive their poor asses to some all comers meet in pocatello idaho if they want!
YMMV wrote:
Sour Grapes wrote:
So what's illegal about Washington's indoor track? Sure it is oversized at something like 307m. What's the big deal? Other meets including the NCAA use the marks performed there for entry into indoor national meets.
It is a bogus attribution. A flat 300m track is no faster than a banked 200m. Technically not legal for records, that needs to be overturned.
there should be no world records just world bests for indoors. that way a 150 banked or 200 flat or 399 meter flat track that are indoors will all qualify for world best.
Hayduke wrote:
YMMV wrote:
It is a bogus attribution. A flat 300m track is no faster than a banked 200m. Technically not legal for records, that needs to be overturned.
there should be no world records just world bests for indoors. that way a 150 banked or 200 flat or 399 meter flat track that are indoors will all qualify for world best.
as long as you are starting and finishing in the same place times should be a WR--don't overthink it!
Don't absolve USATF of the blame, they can't just put the championships at 5000' in NM and expect the best distance runners to show up. They should be held in NY or Boston. Also, I am 100% in favor of oversized tracks. There's no reason an indoor track needs to be 200m.
Hayduke wrote:
malmo wrote:
No they don't. That's exactly what we fought against the AAU back in the 70s. The IAAF/ USATF should never be allowed to restrict any athlete's right to determine when and where they choose to race. NEVER.
Nothing logical about your response. Why bother?
wow thats what you guys fought for? I guess that is why almost no one but the top runners make any money.... hey but at least they can drive their poor asses to some all comers meet in pocatello idaho if they want!
Hayduke wrote:
BRAVO!! to these runners. What does the usatf offer? runners pay fees, no pension no salary nothing that resembles any sports league on the planet.
Absolutely. I mean, for top elites their sponsors will cover it, and I believe USATF covers travel costs for the top 4 times run that season in each event. But I believe every qualifier should be funded for travel and housing for US championships. I’ve qualified before and not been able to afford to go. You have to pay for entry, for travel, for hotel, for your family/friends to watch you. It can amount to a flippin grand, easily.
Given that option, I chose to do a road race and pocket a grand instead. With all the money USATF execs award themselves, the least they could do is support qualifiers financially rather than greedily bleeding every dollar from them they can think of to get.
[quote]Hardloper wrote:
Don't absolve USATF of the blame, they can't just put the championships at 5000' in NM and expect the best distance runners to show up. They should be held in NY or Boston.
This is absolutely correct.
It's also obvious, but that's irrelevant because nothing that makes sense is obvious to USATF.
Seriously. Think about this for a moment. The national championship meet is being held in Albuquerque, New Mexico. There are state of the art fast tracks inside first class facilities in New York and Boston. But the national governing body of the sport takes its championship meet to Albuquerque, New Mexico. In an Olympic year. How stupid can you get?
It wouldn't make any sense if Albuquerque was at sea level. Add in the altitude factor and you have nothing short of complete stupidity.
Well, that is if you actually care about the sport of track and field.
The galling thing is, if a sprint record is set, it is not legal. Lose/lose by USATF as per usual.
YMMV wrote:
The galling thing is, if a sprint record is set, it is not legal. Lose/lose by USATF as per usual.
Coleman ran his 60m world record in Albuquerque two years ago and it's ratified...
bring back alberto wrote:
My god. Did anyone see this? They skipped USAs to run a 3k in Seattle today.
Why couldn't they just run hard in ABQ? And I don't want to hear about how they didn't have a qualifier.
#Whataboutthesport?
L opez Lomong Bowerman Track Club7:45.82
Marc Scott Bowerman Track Club n7:46.11
Evan Jager Bowerman Track Club 7:46.24
Cooper Teare Oregon 7:46.45
Sean McGorty Bowerman Track Club 7:46.76
James West Oregon 7:47.10
Hyuga Endo Sumitomo Electric 7:47.99
Alex Ostberg Stanford 7:49.01
Cameron Griffith Arkansas 7:50.80
Jack Rowe Washington 7:51.00
Olin Hacker Wisconsin 7:52.45
Waleed Suliman Ole Miss 7:54.80
Cole Hocker Oregon 7:57.26
Abdihamid Nur Northern Arizona 7:57.40
Colton Johnsen Washington St. 7:57.58
James Mwaura Gonzaga 7:57.74
Jackson Sharp Wisconsin 7:59.51
Ryan Raff Northern Arizona 8:00.75
Curious if you happened to see Thompson in the 15 today?
Hayduke wrote:
BRAVO!! to these runners. What does the usatf offer? runners pay fees, no pension no salary nothing that resembles any sports league on the planet.
So true.
Ya love of the sport... US nationals... and USATF pay themselves well, not the athletes though - heavens no can’t do that - don’t offer incentives, there is no World Indoor Championships this year - what’s the point.
Hardloper wrote:
Don't absolve USATF of the blame, they can't just put the championships at 5000' in NM and expect the best distance runners to show up. They should be held in NY or Boston. Also, I am 100% in favor of oversized tracks. There's no reason an indoor track needs to be 200m.
Did NY or Boston even bid for the event? USTAF can't force a site to hold an event they don't want. if ALBQ wants the event and puts together the best bid why should USTAF move it somewhere else? That doesn't really seem fair either.
What if the Olympics are held at altitude again? Are the top distance runners not going to show up? It's not a excuse.
va coach wrote:
[quote]Hardloper wrote:
Don't absolve USATF of the blame, they can't just put the championships at 5000' in NM and expect the best distance runners to show up. They should be held in NY or Boston.
This is absolutely correct.
It's also obvious, but that's irrelevant because nothing that makes sense is obvious to USATF.
Seriously. Think about this for a moment. The national championship meet is being held in Albuquerque, New Mexico. There are state of the art fast tracks inside first class facilities in New York and Boston. But the national governing body of the sport takes its championship meet to Albuquerque, New Mexico. In an Olympic year. How stupid can you get?
It wouldn't make any sense if Albuquerque was at sea level. Add in the altitude factor and you have nothing short of complete stupidity.
Well, that is if you actually care about the sport of track and field.
You guys are idiots. I’d much rather go to US indoors in Albuquerque than in Boston.
It looks like your campaign to shame the BTC worked. Kate Grace didn't run at the Husky Classic, undoubtedly because you helped her seen the wickedness of her decision to skip Indoors.
Congratulations on a job well done!
Good for the sport, because now we get more Lopez Lomong vs. Paul Chelimo beef!!!!
https://www.instagram.com/p/B8nBUa5AsiP/?igshid=1pd2jf63iacsr
malmo wrote:
wejo wrote:
The IAAF/ USATF needs to have blackout periods around national championships where non-collegiate athletes can't compete.
No they don't. That's exactly what we fought against the AAU back in the 70s. The IAAF/ USATF should never be allowed to restrict any athlete's right to determine when and where they choose to race. NEVER.
+1
Wejo is so wrong on this I don't know where to begin. The athletes aren't slaves or indentured servants of USATF.