Lots of fat chicks wear Victoria Secret too. Get over it.
Lots of fat chicks wear Victoria Secret too. Get over it.
Liberty U wrote:
For this mb having a perceived conservative slant, the quantity of these posts saying people should or shouldn’t be able to wear certain shoes or clothes is really quite remarkable. Ditto the posts saying who should be allowed to take up certain hobbies. Aren’t we free to dress and do as we please?
Obviously everyone can wear what they want. But below 5:30min/km (8:45 ish min/mile) pace I find the Vaporflys to become really unstable. So I'd say if you are going much slower than that they are basically just a money sink that won't add much value. I just found a 4% on sale and now that I am trying to BQ (3:30 for me as a woman) they just start to be remotely appropriate.
Anyone can & should wear them if they want to. They don't beat up your feet at all and if you're gonna be out there for a while the shoes might help you even more. Wear them or don't. I don't care. I do hope that some competitor brands start to get their carbon fiber plate flat out to the masses. That feels way more important to me.
You should not be able to wear Next % or Vaporflys until you have run 2:01. Bekele and Kipchoge's times should be disqualified because they had not yet run 2:01 when they wore those shoes.
those and the 4% are both so comfortable, i encourage anyone willing to shell out for them to actually run in to do so. even if someone wants to get them because they walk a lot and find them comfortable, by all means. i don't care. i love that shoe and i'm 2:58 guy with awful rearfoot overstriding form. to me, they are just a really comfortable and genuinely fun shoe to run in.
Just don't take a pic of your medal and shoes after running a 5:20 or you'll look silly
I just raced CIM 1 1/2 weeks ago. While i was waiting in line for the port a potty, I met a bunch of runners not wearing the Next%. However, most of the runners around me during the race were wearing pink or green Next% (I finished with a 2:42). I do think runners going for time (like a lot of ladies going for their OTQ) do tend to wear Next % while slower runners tend to wear a variety of running shoes.
Bruin1996 wrote:
I just raced CIM 1 1/2 weeks ago. While i was waiting in line for the port a potty, I met a bunch of runners not wearing the Next%. However, most of the runners around me during the race were wearing pink or green Next% (I finished with a 2:42). I do think runners going for time (like a lot of ladies going for their OTQ) do tend to wear Next % while slower runners tend to wear a variety of running shoes.
I was at CIM too, and was surprised to see that pink and green Nexts had largely replaced orange 4%s. Less than year ago at Houston, the elite and sub-elite corrals were a sea of orange feet. I'm still racing in 4%s and feel like a throwback.
Hey Igy please do post your experience/results maybe on the fifty plus thread
IMO there is a great deal of variability as to the amount of benefit.
Runners with faster turn overs benefit more as the shoe is supposed to increase stride length so more strides per minutes less time on the ground with a longer "float" .
MPE is limited to a treadmill run a bit over 1 mile
.25 warmup awkward
.25 9mph ok
.50 10mph felt great felt like I was getting a big boost
You might want to try something similiar with adjustments for speed
9mph is around my 5k
10 mph is around mile pace
Also this was the Next% not the 4s
Finally these shoes are instable like a wobble board when not moving so be careful
Anyone who cares about how fast they run and wants to spend some cash on good gear should be using Next%, or whatever else helps them achieve their goals. No one should care if they are a 2:30 or 4:00 marathoner.
Obviously anyone can wear whatever they want. I think personally it's not worth the investment unless you're trying to break a specific time barrier other than your own PR. (OTQ, BQ, 3 hrs, something like that) Otherwise, if you're simply trying to break a PR, why use shoes to do it? What if you only improve a minute or two? Then did you really improve or did you just get better shoes. Wouldn't it feel better to break your PR without the assistance of some fancy shoes?
What about the little brother- ie Zoom Fly?
Has this been shown to help at all, and those of you who are anti-4%, would you consider it cheating?
It wasn’t ever studied, because there’s not much incentive to. (Financially, as far as Nike is concerned).
The reason the Vaporfly improves times (technically by improving running economy) is the minimal amount of energy lost in the cushioning properties of the Zoom X foam. (And it’s very lightweight, so that helps too).
The carbon fiber plate everyone is focusing on is not the reason for the big improvement in times (it adds some, by preventing the foot from bending at the toes, and adds structural stability to the shoe, since the foam by itself would be very sloppy and unstable). Since the Zoom Fly has either Lunarlon or React foam, the carbon fiber plate (I believe) is more hype and marketing than actual benefit.
Ghost of Igloi wrote:
I am wondering if I should break-in my Christmas gift a couple of days early. I have a two mile race and should be able to run around 16:00. At that effort with the 4% should I really expect to run 15:23?
Maybe. I'll guess 15:29. Let us know after the race.
Emma Abrahamson wore them so....
+1
As an aside, to all of you "real runner" hardos who always come out in these threads, if you were even close to contending for a race, or qualifying for a race (be it Boston, OTQ, whatever) you would wear them. If you were really a running purist you'd wear the Nike waffle shoes from the 70s.
I've been training in the Zoom Flys for a while, and they're a nice, light, comfy shoe for training (and easily obtainable for not a lot of money at outlet stores), but they are nothing like the Vapor or Next%.
I just got a pair of Next% and can confirm that they feel like rocketships compared to the Zooms.
For reference, I did probably ~2,000 miles in various Pegasus (up to the 35 model), then switched to the Zooms and have done ~1,500 miles in some version of those. So I'm very familiar with the zooms. I haven't worn the Next% or Vaporfly in a race yet - just testing them out a bit indoors.
guys running over 4 hrs... you dont need them. wrote:
what is the threshold for Male/Female 18-34 to wear next% in a marathon that doesnt scream 'trying too hard'.
2:01
guys running over 4 hrs... you dont need them. wrote:
what is the threshold for Male/Female 18-34 to wear next% in a marathon that doesnt scream 'trying too hard'.
VDOT 60+ or GTFO
Charlie wrote:
Hey Igy please do post your experience/results maybe on the fifty plus thread
IMO there is a great deal of variability as to the amount of benefit.
Runners with faster turn overs benefit more as the shoe is supposed to increase stride length so more strides per minutes less time on the ground with a longer "float" .
MPE is limited to a treadmill run a bit over 1 mile
.25 warmup awkward
.25 9mph ok
.50 10mph felt great felt like I was getting a big boost
You might want to try something similiar with adjustments for speed
9mph is around my 5k
10 mph is around mile pace
Also this was the Next% not the 4s
Finally these shoes are instable like a wobble board when not moving so be careful
Charlie,
Will do. This morning I did 8 x 100m @ 2 x easy, 2 x 5k effort alternating. Definitely felt easier on the 5k pace. I am fairly quiet on landing, these shoes are significantly louder (slapping sound). I assume the carbon plate. Looking forward to racing in them. One of my friends at the YMCA said “you are too old for those shoes.”
Igy