DoubleStandard wrote:
Kara Goucher hasn't spoken against Wetmore as she has with Salazar,
The Gouchers need to be asked about Wetmore sending Adam to Dr. Brown for thyroid treatment, and since Kara was already on the meds before NOP, she probably was as well, and how they were the ones who introduced Dr. Brown to Salazar/NOP, and why after leaving NOP, would later claim that it was suspicious that everyone had a thyroid condition. Wonder how/why that happened?
https://www.letsrun.com/news/2017/05/usada-appears-highly-likely-6-nop-athletes-including-galen-rupp-dathan-ritzenhein-violated-anti-doping-rules/bleu wrote:
Did you actually read the link? He states he never met or sent anyone to Dr. Brown.
PS. One final interesting anecdote from the report that really surprised us. Alberto Salazar only found out about Dr. Jeffrey Brown because University of Colorado coach Mark Wetmore recommended him to Adam Goucher. From Adam Goucher’s email: “My coach, Mark Wetmore, recommended that I contact you. He has sent an athlete to see you before and says that you are the best Endocrinologist in the country.”
"He states he never met or sent anyone to Dr. Brown."
Wetmore revealed that he’s never actually met Dr. Brown, has NO RECOLLECTION of ever sending Adam Goucher to Dr. Brown (which is what Adam wrote to Dr. Brown in an email), [however] that BOTH OF THE ATHLETES THAT HE REMEMBERS SENDING TO BROWN did not come away with good impressions of him as neither found him to be trustworthy.
malmo wrote:
The only measure you need for proper racing weight -- when the veins in you belly are visible that's the right weight for you.
Obviously stupid.
doot doot wrote:
Didn’t Wetmore say he wanted his athletes to look like skeletons with condoms pulled over their bones in RWTB?
I’m sure things are better now and athlete weight is not a focus for someone of Wetmore’s esteem.
I really think that sometimes people who have done something unethical, which they still believe is the right thing, should just keep quiet and go about their business.
What is the point in claiming you never did or said the unethical thing when others remember or have records of it? Especially if you still believe and practice the unethical behaviour.
Just say nothing and prove you are right with your athletes performance if that’s how you feel.
Mark Wetmore is beyond reproach here. He calls for lifetime bans for the obvious rule-breaking detailed in the report. If you think he's a bad guy, fine . . . but that's neither relevant nor a reason to discount his perspective on Salazar and Brown. If anything, a guilty conscience would give him a reason to sympathize and downplay their misdeeds, as Paula has.
I have to assume that all of this negative reaction comes from the same Nike employees and Salazar defenders who make it their life's work to deny and distract, no matter how overwhelming the evidence is.
Whiskey Tango Foxtrot wrote:
? Wetmore coached her to world class podium and AR level, husband has only maintained that.
- Let's be clear .... Wetmore coached Coburn to such level before the women's steeple was really "mainstreamed." In fact, he & Heather are quite lucky w/Jenny that the 1500m races she won were a tactical affair. So I say again --- the dude's certainly earned his chops at the NCAAs; however, he's nowhere near leading athletes to the top at the IAAF-level like Coach Salazaar.
Wetmore's job is to coach NCAA athletes. Coaching pros is a side gig and how many NCAA coaches have done better with pros than Wetmore?
Salazar's job was to win at the highest level by whatever means necessary and look what happened.
Criticizing Wetmore for not having more success at IAAF level is as stupid as criticizing Salazar for not coaching any NCAA champions.
Wetmore's XC men's teams have been in top 10 at NCAAs for 29 years in a row. Women have been NCAA top 10, for 28 of the last 29 years. And, he's done that all on a shoestring budget with almost all US citizens (maybe all US citizens, I'm not sure of the few exceptions).
Many of you reading this have not even been alive for 29 years. How many of you have been in the top 10 in the USA in your profession ever, let alone for 29 years in a row?
https://cubuffs.com/news/2019/11/22/woelk-for-cu-cross-country-excellence-is-baseline-standard.aspx
1. "Coaching pros is a side gig and how many NCAA coaches have done better with pros than Wetmore?"
Really? Bob Timmons, Bill Dellinger, Scott Simmons, John Cook, Ray Treacy, Bob Larsen, Sam Bell, etc.
2. "Salazar's job was to win at the highest level by whatever means necessary and look what happened."
- He & his employer are appealing the verdict.
- Do you really believe Mary Cain who struggled or may be struggling w/mental health issues is an authority on what it takes to medal at the IAAF-level?
3. Wetmore's Teams
- I agree that if Colorado's AD accepts such a narrow focus on middle & long-distance runners amongst amongst 3 x Sports (XC, Indoor, Outdoor) despite the negative impact towards the university's ability to compete for awards such as the NCAA's "Capital One Cup" then indeed an advantage to Wetmore. Most other coaches have program constraints to excel across all 3 x sports compared to Coach Wetmore's situation.
4. CU XC Academics "Colorado's cross country teams are regularly among the tops in the athletic department in the classroom, annually finishing with well above a 3.0 grade-point average in some of the toughest academic disciplines CU offers.)"
- Would you not agree that Coach Wetmore's recruiting focuses upon athletes at the highest level of socio-economic advantage? As addressed earlier, most middle/long-distance athletes are white thus automatically privileged according to the "snowflake generation." Furthermore, I'm to understand that he recruits nationally, but rarely offers full-scholarships. Thus, Coach Wetmore can only attract those athletes whose parents can make-up the difference on out-of-state tuition.
5. Altitude. Would't you say CU has a HUGE advantage given they train at ALTITUDE compared to other programs?
All to say, I respect CU's program WAY more than Eyestone's semi-pro BS @ BY, NAU's international flavor, & OK State's typical token East African athlete . Let's just not be "fake"!
You're reaching, dork.
- Oh, let me guess ... another "Wetmore" apologist!
*CU Out-of-State Tuition: $44,001 per year
- Dude's got a "dream job" where he only has to do 1 x thing right: middle/long-distance running. Ask other top NCAA coaches on what their program demands are?
- Dude also doesn't mix it up at the IAAF-level ... c'mon man! Grow Up!
Lickety Split wrote:
- Oh, let me guess ... another "Wetmore" apologist!
*CU Out-of-State Tuition: $44,001 per year
- Dude's got a "dream job" where he only has to do 1 x thing right: middle/long-distance running. Ask other top NCAA coaches on what their program demands are?
- Dude also doesn't mix it up at the IAAF-level ... c'mon man! Grow Up!
The poster who needs to do the growing up is not the poster you responded to. That poster will be located in your mirror.
Just ..."try to be polite and stay out of the way."
webby wrote:
Mark Wetmore is beyond reproach here. He calls for lifetime bans for the obvious rule-breaking detailed in the report. If you think he's a bad guy, fine . . . but that's neither relevant nor a reason to discount his perspective on Salazar and Brown. If anything, a guilty conscience would give him a reason to sympathize and downplay their misdeeds, as Paula has.
Limited hangout of the Gouchers, because he knows he didn't directly hook up Salazar and Dr. Brown:
"So that’s my history with Brown. I really don’t think I introduced Alberto Salazar to Brown, but maybe Adam knew about Brown when he went to Salazar’s group. Maybe Kara knew about Brown when she went to Salazar’s group…
"I read somewhere that [Adam] said that I informed him of or recommended that he use Dr. Brown. I absolutely don’t remember doing that. I suppose it’s possible…I mean, Adam is younger than me and he probably has a better memory than me, so if he was he was the first athlete I sent down to Brown, that’s possible."
Just happens the only athletes he does remember sending were the ones who didn't end up using Dr. Brown's meds, weren't national class, etc, so "no point digging deeper here, please."
"The two athletes that went to Brown more than a decade apart came back with oddly similar stories — that they didn’t trust him. And neither of them followed his prescription for improving. Neither of them became national-caliber or Olympic-level runners. Oddly, each of them had a medical doctor in their family and in both cases the family medical doctor said, “We don’t want to do that.”
You come on a message board at 9:49 p.m. on a Sunday to find and push obtuse angles to trash a clearly successful person. Don't drink & post.
Former CU female athlete. I was never directly addressed about my weight.. however it was understood you should monitor your weight (from a team standpoint even). This to me is common sense and about performance. I did not have a weight problem and naturally was thin. If someone was addressed it was typically a female to female rather than directly from wetmore himself. I understand weight to be a sensitive topic to some, but for me it wasn’t an issues
Salazar is your source? Are you joking?
Drunk Letsrun wrote:
You come on a message board at 9:49 p.m. on a Sunday to find and push obtuse angles to trash a clearly successful person. Don't drink & post.
Just ..."try to be polite and stay out of the way."
Just because he has women on his staff doesnt mean the system isnt created for men by men. What a dopey thing to say especially by a man who is ultimately still in control and has held the reigns for decades.
It's like saying "I'm not racist or hold racist beliefs bc I have a black friend."
Thanks for the deep thoughts and insights Mark.