That's Brosnan's wife. I highly doubt she leaves the program unless he does as well.
That's Brosnan's wife. I highly doubt she leaves the program unless he does as well.
HMM?? wrote:
Is 7x1k at 5k pace with equal rest time 3 minutes really that hard of a workout? My Team used to do 8x800m at 2-miles with 2:30-3-minute rest and it wasn't that hard.
7 x 1K at 4-5K pace is a reasonable workout.
Developmental Coach wrote:
Sean is developing kids from NP. Hate all you want but everyone on this thread wishes they were coaching NP boys & girls team, maybe except Doug Soles. The top 2 HS coaches are from Southern California.
Yeah, but what have any Great Oak kids gone on to do in college? Oh wait, that's right, nothing. These kids are so clearly maximizing all their potential in high school that good colleges have stopped recruiting them, just like FM. Will be interesting to see if NP ends up the same way.
Brosnan is in bed with Nike... changed the team uniforms this year after Nico broke out...
It likely will end up that way. Their training is hard. I'm talking like racing Saturday, running sunday, a tempo on Monday, intervals on Tuesday, another workout Thursday, and racing again Saturday. Not every single week like that, but man, that's tough. Then throw in that the older ones are running 50-65 mpw...of course you'll end up with fast kids, assuming you have talent.
Very similar to Great Oak, who runs a ton of miles and super hard workout. You see it with American Fork as well, with some exceptions of course. Those guys run morning runs like 4-5 days a week for most of the year and train crazy hard.
All I'm saying is that most great HS teams are working on another level. If the kids are cool with that and its worth it to chase NXN, etc. then great, but of course they're going to get a lot closer to maximizing their potential than some others.
A silent observer wrote:
It likely will end up that way. Their training is hard. I'm talking like racing Saturday, running sunday, a tempo on Monday, intervals on Tuesday, another workout Thursday, and racing again Saturday. Not every single week like that, but man, that's tough. Then throw in that the older ones are running 50-65 mpw...of course you'll end up with fast kids, assuming you have talent.
Very similar to Great Oak, who runs a ton of miles and super hard workout. You see it with American Fork as well, with some exceptions of course. Those guys run morning runs like 4-5 days a week for most of the year and train crazy hard.
All I'm saying is that most great HS teams are working on another level. If the kids are cool with that and its worth it to chase NXN, etc. then great, but of course they're going to get a lot closer to maximizing their potential than some others.
You're BS. How do you know their training??? I know guys on the team and you're just flat out making this stuff up .
It’s on grass so the reps could easily be short.
It’s just a single workout.
The kid is also very good and will likely run sub-4/sub-8:40 this year.
I guess I am a little jealous of his success, but I'd also just be interested to understand the reasoning behind the workout. I don't think anyone would dispute that very hard efforts are great for getting in shape quickly and maxing out potential early on, which is important to having sustainable H.S. success. But long-term, I think the kids would be better off with more of a Wetmore-style LT workout than a lot of VO2 max work.
To a certain extent, I don't see why a team would only aim for 3 meets (Woodbridge, Clovis, NXN) but then do a workout that is probably as hard as a race physiologically. Still, 6 hard efforts is not too much for a HS XC team, but I think if Wetmore were coaching HS, the workout would be more like 5x800 at the same pace, a bit less rest. Still hard, but not as taxing on the body.
Let’s Pump the Breaks wrote:
It’s on grass so the reps could easily be short.
It’s just a single workout.
The kid is also very good and will likely run sub-4/sub-8:40 this year.
On grass 2:46 is probably a bit harder than 3k pace, so I’d guess the reps were a few seconds short. Based on his (still incredible) times this year the workout seems a bit unlikely. He’s raced 3 miles in 13:40, but in the video he’s doing reps at 13:15 pace.
With that long of a rest though it’s hard to tell
Creaky Bones wrote:
I guess I am a little jealous of his success, but I'd also just be interested to understand the reasoning behind the workout. I don't think anyone would dispute that very hard efforts are great for getting in shape quickly and maxing out potential early on, which is important to having sustainable H.S. success. But long-term, I think the kids would be better off with more of a Wetmore-style LT workout than a lot of VO2 max work.
To a certain extent, I don't see why a team would only aim for 3 meets (Woodbridge, Clovis, NXN) but then do a workout that is probably as hard as a race physiologically. Still, 6 hard efforts is not too much for a HS XC team, but I think if Wetmore were coaching HS, the workout would be more like 5x800 at the same pace, a bit less rest. Still hard, but not as taxing on the body.
So instead of 7K total at ~5K pace you think it makes more sense to do 4K total at ~15K pace?
Reading this right wrote:
Creaky Bones wrote:
I guess I am a little jealous of his success, but I'd also just be interested to understand the reasoning behind the workout. I don't think anyone would dispute that very hard efforts are great for getting in shape quickly and maxing out potential early on, which is important to having sustainable H.S. success. But long-term, I think the kids would be better off with more of a Wetmore-style LT workout than a lot of VO2 max work.
To a certain extent, I don't see why a team would only aim for 3 meets (Woodbridge, Clovis, NXN) but then do a workout that is probably as hard as a race physiologically. Still, 6 hard efforts is not too much for a HS XC team, but I think if Wetmore were coaching HS, the workout would be more like 5x800 at the same pace, a bit less rest. Still hard, but not as taxing on the body.
So instead of 7K total at ~5K pace you think it makes more sense to do 4K total at ~15K pace?
For this kid, his LT pace is probably around 3:00-3:20 per km.
HMM?? wrote:
Is 7x1k at 5k pace with equal rest time 3 minutes really that hard of a workout? My Team used to do 8x800m at 2-miles with 2:30-3-minute rest and it wasn't that hard.
It doesn't seem like it should be super hard.
The rest seems pretty long for a 5k pace workout. I did 5x1k at 5k pace with 400m jog recovery (~2:10) a week ago after not running any intervals for 3 months and didn't start to hurt much until the last one. Granted, I was running 3:28's not 2:46's.
Nico and Sean will get the last laugh at NXN Championship. That’s my boi blue.
this workout would be do-able at 5k pace, but very tough. probably not recommendable for a 17 year old kid. also possible that the 1000s are short on the grass
Looks like the coacho has a measuring wheel in video. It’s about time hs kids in America start working hard again. In the 70-80’s kids in the USA were running fast and breaking WR
Reading this right wrote:
Creaky Bones wrote:
I guess I am a little jealous of his success, but I'd also just be interested to understand the reasoning behind the workout. I don't think anyone would dispute that very hard efforts are great for getting in shape quickly and maxing out potential early on, which is important to having sustainable H.S. success. But long-term, I think the kids would be better off with more of a Wetmore-style LT workout than a lot of VO2 max work.
To a certain extent, I don't see why a team would only aim for 3 meets (Woodbridge, Clovis, NXN) but then do a workout that is probably as hard as a race physiologically. Still, 6 hard efforts is not too much for a HS XC team, but I think if Wetmore were coaching HS, the workout would be more like 5x800 at the same pace, a bit less rest. Still hard, but not as taxing on the body.
So instead of 7K total at ~5K pace you think it makes more sense to do 4K total at ~15K pace?
I kind of conflated my two points. By same pace I meant still on 5K pace or slightly faster, but decreasing the volume to 4K from 7K, and shortening rest just a tad.
YMMV wrote:
Fridaynightlights wrote:
Nico could finish Top 10 NCAA’s XC Championships next week. Sean Brosnan best HS coach in America.
https://youtu.be/ljb-5sGqP50I have seen most of these type of workout videos the last decade or so, and this IMO is the best. Shooting, editing, narrative. Topnotch.
Interesting contrast between Nico, "Mr. Strugglebus" and the #2 (Jace?) who is almost too efficient. And the 3-5 guys are right behind them. Impressive team in every way.
This is the way to go when you want to 'kill' the kids before they reach adults running . Just look at them! They just look done and over cooked after every rep. This is not the work of an experienced very good coach. Coaches like this destroy a lot of kids that could be great runners coached by the real coaches.
Agreed, how fast can these kids actually run a 5k? They're rigging hard as sh!t the whole way through this workout, seems over the top.
Isn't that the point of this workout? The reps are hard but a full 3-minute rest is given so they're recovered by the next one. Remember most of the kids are only doing 6 reps. Only the national-caliber(Nico ranked number 1 and Jace ranked 20th) seniors are doing 7 reps, this is because they can handle more and are getting slightly more rest than the other kids because they finished before.
Anyone who doesn't think this workout is VERY difficult is crazy. This would be a difficult workout for any college. The pace is incredibly fast (use whatever calculator you want) and 7000 meters is big volume. Nobody (except those on the team) really know what the rest of the week and season look like, but only time will tell if this is a successful recipe. I don't think any of his runners have run in college to date , so there isn't really any data to see if they will do well when they get there.