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Frank Sharter wrote:
Armstronglivs wrote:
A poster above said that his performance is equivalent to 2.02 age-graded. That's Kipchoge/Bekele-class. So we might assume they would be no faster than him when they are his age - which would still make them the best in the world at 59. But that would mean they would lose 25 minutes from their prime. He has lost only 14 minutes in 28 years. Is he really that good? Is anyone?
He should have been faster as a young buck. And you should have been smarter.
He was as fast as he was going to get at 31. At the same rate of decline Kipchoge and Bekele should be running around 2.15 as they clock 60. If you believe that, you're not as smart as you think you are.
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Armstronglivs wrote:
Frank Sharter wrote:
He should have been faster as a young buck. And you should have been smarter.
He was as fast as he was going to get at 31. At the same rate of decline Kipchoge and Bekele should be running around 2.15 as they clock 60. If you believe that, you're not as smart as you think you are.
I like your rebuttal to some of these wiseguys here. They think they know so much about age-related performance decline as if they're a masters/senior runner themselves. Most of them are just probably college kids toying with you. ?
Anyone know how he trains?
Otq dreamer wrote:
Anyone know how he trains?
Lots of races
The last month has seen him run HM, 5k and 8k Cross Country in build up to this race.
Otq dreamer wrote:
Anyone know how he trains?
He regularly bangs out 120 miles of running each week in training and amongst lots of success this year, he finished 67th overall in the Rotterdam marathon in a new world best for a 59 year old by over four minutes, finishing in 2 hours, 30 mins and just 15 secs, before following that up with a win outright in the Newry half marathon in 71:57.
This is from this article:
https://www.edp24.co.uk/sport/neil-featherby-1-63411272:27:30 was Men's 50 WR May 1972.
Wouldn't have been hard to imaging almost 50 years later this could be the M60 WR. It is expected, incredible none-the-less, but expected. We age better these days though sports science.
M60 wrote:
2:27:30 was Men's 50 WR May 1972.
Wouldn't have been hard to imaging almost 50 years later this could be the M60 WR. It is expected, incredible none-the-less, but expected. We age better these days though sports science.
"Sports science"? Quite.
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Armstronglivs wrote:
Frank Sharter wrote:
He should have been faster as a young buck. And you should have been smarter.
He was as fast as he was going to get at 31. At the same rate of decline Kipchoge and Bekele should be running around 2.15 as they clock 60. If you believe that, you're not as smart as you think you are.
You need to normalize tech. He would have lost like 18 mins without the vaporflys so they would only need to run like 2:20.:)
The thing is to be an elite masters runner, you need 2 things
a) pretty close to elite level running talent. You might not have been the WR setting in your prime, but you were up around the national class level.
b) you need to luck out on the aging curve just a bit. When every one else slows down by 25 mins, you only drop 20. Age definitely catches up with everyone but the exact time and rate differ. Some of that is luck with injuries and the like. Some is probably genetic.
The odds of the WR also winning out in the aging lottery is pretty low. Imagine a guy like Huges is a 1:100 outlier in terms of aging performance. Odds of that lining up with a WR (i.e. instead of say a 1:million running talent like hughes we are talking 1:100 million talent levels) is pretty low.
And finally those age graded tables are junk. Not enough elite runners (i.e Tergat and . Gebrselassie are not busting 2 runs/day to try and race as fast as possible) keep on training. They are fun for discussion but lets not pretend a 2:27 is anywhere close to a 2:02.
dadsfadsfdasfdsafdas wrote:
Armstronglivs wrote:
He was as fast as he was going to get at 31. At the same rate of decline Kipchoge and Bekele should be running around 2.15 as they clock 60. If you believe that, you're not as smart as you think you are.
You need to normalize tech. He would have lost like 18 mins without the vaporflys so they would only need to run like 2:20.:)
The thing is to be an elite masters runner, you need 2 things
a) pretty close to elite level running talent. You might not have been the WR setting in your prime, but you were up around the national class level.
b) you need to luck out on the aging curve just a bit. When every one else slows down by 25 mins, you only drop 20. Age definitely catches up with everyone but the exact time and rate differ. Some of that is luck with injuries and the like. Some is probably genetic.
The odds of the WR also winning out in the aging lottery is pretty low. Imagine a guy like Huges is a 1:100 outlier in terms of aging performance. Odds of that lining up with a WR (i.e. instead of say a 1:million running talent like hughes we are talking 1:100 million talent levels) is pretty low.
And finally those age graded tables are junk. Not enough elite runners (i.e Tergat and . Gebrselassie are not busting 2 runs/day to try and race as fast as possible) keep on training. They are fun for discussion but lets not pretend a 2:27 is anywhere close to a 2:02.
You don't have much experience of aging, do you?
Armstronglivs wrote:
dadsfadsfdasfdsafdas wrote:
You need to normalize tech. He would have lost like 18 mins without the vaporflys so they would only need to run like 2:20.:)
The thing is to be an elite masters runner, you need 2 things
a) pretty close to elite level running talent. You might not have been the WR setting in your prime, but you were up around the national class level.
b) you need to luck out on the aging curve just a bit. When every one else slows down by 25 mins, you only drop 20. Age definitely catches up with everyone but the exact time and rate differ. Some of that is luck with injuries and the like. Some is probably genetic.
The odds of the WR also winning out in the aging lottery is pretty low. Imagine a guy like Huges is a 1:100 outlier in terms of aging performance. Odds of that lining up with a WR (i.e. instead of say a 1:million running talent like hughes we are talking 1:100 million talent levels) is pretty low.
And finally those age graded tables are junk. Not enough elite runners (i.e Tergat and . Gebrselassie are not busting 2 runs/day to try and race as fast as possible) keep on training. They are fun for discussion but lets not pretend a 2:27 is anywhere close to a 2:02.
You don't have much experience of aging, do you?
It's funny listening to these kids post nonsense about age-related performance. Very few posting on this subject are even masters/senior runners - if they were they would be posting about this as well as other age-related running issues on the 50+ training thread. Lol.
Armstronglivs wrote:
zxcvzcvx wrote:
2:27:52 is astonishing at that age. He has a best of 2:13, and more recently he had run a 2:30.
https://www.bbc.com/sport/athletics/47847245Yes, it is amazing. To lose only 14 minutes in the marathon between ages 31 and 59 - nearly thirty years. It is hard to believe. Literally.
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I know! For me, at 60, the training is impossible.
I'd love to have another crack at sub 3 but I don't think I'd make it through the training.