Noncompliant teachers should be jailed.
Noncompliant teachers should be jailed.
illinoisjones wrote:
I never said teachers should not strike or that teaching isn't hard. My mom was a substitute teacher for CPS, she said it was the most emotionally draining job of her life. She worked on the south side and west sides in some of the most impoverished areas of the country.
It is incredibly telling that the parents and the students had to represent themselves. The main problem is that teachers/staff who would otherwise be willing to support their athletes cant because they are afraid about their future statues in the union or being publicly shamed.
The union has become a cancer to the teachers. You casually ignored when I mentioned that I was pro-teacher and you look foolish in your response.
Wow, this is tough stuff from someone who has very limited info about the strike. I get that athletes want to compete but that's not on the teachers or support staff. Remember there are low wage support staff bargaining too? The Mayor and the Board could have done a whole lot more to prevent a strike from happening. People also need to keep Chicago out of your mouth if you don't understand how budgets work and how the rich get rich here and education doesn't get the funding it deserves. The city can throw $1.3 billion at Lincoln Yards, hundreds of millions at Sodexo/Aramark to mismanaged custodians, $33 million to CPS (& hundreds more in wrongful behavior type lawsuits every year).
Where do you get off saying that the union has become a cancer to the teachers? Are you in HS or college? Live in the suburbs? This is about more than sports. It's about more than pay. It's about how a city distributes money and puts a budget together. Some think more money should go to education, providing our kids with better resources. The Union is literally fighting for students and trying to get language in writing to guarantee social workers, nurses, librarians, smaller class sizes. They're fighting for affordable housing units to be built for homeless students. & then the support staff do make trash wages. They work with special needs students. There are homeless bus aides. 90% of majority black schools don't have a librarian.
alsal wrote:
unions and strikes should be banned if you dont like youre job quit
Middles class share of income was at its highest when union density was at its best and unions went on strike more often. Check yourself. A worker union is just a group of people opening the books and seeing what can be done. I know it might come as a shock but employers are sometimes not doing enough for their workers.
douglas burke wrote:
I just hope the Teachers can get back to work, so they can get back to producing Students who will cure major diseases, win noble prizes and cure the worlds problems.
I know this is a jab at Chicago & at bad stereotypes but you can see what teachers are advocating for right? It's hard for kids to not end up in jail when all of the resources are on the north side. The issues around hiring librarians, nurses, social workers, class size, etc., disproportionately affect black/brown students and schools. Sure, let's just trash on Chicago students without addressing the real problems. The teachers union and support staff are striking to try to win resources for their kids. Get a clue.
VirtueSignaler wrote:
Texan38 wrote:
I feel zero for those teachers and their unions.
+1
Whatever happened to: "it's all about the children."
Literally on strike to get the city to prioritize their children & get them the resources they need.
NERunner053 wrote:
VirtueSignaler wrote:
+1
Whatever happened to: "it's all about the children."
Literally on strike to get the city to prioritize their children & get them the resources they need.
If they actually do care about the kids then letting the coaches coach for one day would prove it.
That one day would not affect their bargaining position.
What this proves is that the union doesn't give a damn about the kids.
Is Jones’ lawyer-dad taking the kids up to WI Parkside to practice today for Footlocker Midwest or still crying in Chicago media conferences? They have plenty of time now. Good opportunity to scout for a house outside of the dysfunctional Chicago / Cook County / Illinois, while he's waiting. Just costs some gas and IL Tollway money for the trip. Some obscure Illinois team known as “KROY” went up there routinely with no coach to prepare for the Nike Nationals back in the day, too.
Lightfoot has enough political capital to pull a Reagan / air traffic controllers thing on Jesse Starkey now. He was out for a strike even if Lightfoot would have offered double the money.
Woe Is Me wrote:
Is Jones’ lawyer-dad taking the kids up to WI Parkside to practice today for Footlocker Midwest or still crying in Chicago media conferences? They have plenty of time now. Good opportunity to scout for a house outside of the dysfunctional Chicago / Cook County / Illinois, while he's waiting. Just costs some gas and IL Tollway money for the trip. Some obscure Illinois team known as “KROY” went up there routinely with no coach to prepare for the Nike Nationals back in the day, too.
Lightfoot has enough political capital to pull a Reagan / air traffic controllers thing on Jesse Starkey now. He was out for a strike even if Lightfoot would have offered double the money.
Lol if you think what Reagan did benefited working people in any way at all. After he did that, unions stopped striking and middle class income declined. Read a book.
Lightfoot can't fire 33,000 workers who are on strike advocating for kids. This isn't about a cross country meet. This is about how we distribute our resources.
NERunner053 wrote:
Lightfoot can't fire 33,000 workers who are on strike advocating for kids. This isn't about a cross country meet. This is about how we distribute our resources.
They’re not advocating for the kids. They’re advocating for themselves.
CPS spending per kid is already one of the highest in the nation.
Texan38 wrote:
I feel zero for those teachers and their unions.
With the teachers union It’s not about the kids - never has been.
It’s about how much money they can get through membership union dues and investing those monies to pay themselves. The more heads paying union dues the better.
Public School Teaching... A profession that has a profound and lasting impact on our society that is dictated by a bunch of undereducated union thugs. A profession where it is next to impossible to fire under achieving workers. A profession that shuffles under achieving workers to different class rooms to teach different subjects. A profession that doesn’t reward the high achieving workers.
Parents or soon to be parents if you have the ability to enroll your kids in a private school - save your kids and yourself from hardship and give your kids a rigorous education that will equip them with the ability to succeed.
Public School administrators. That’s for another thread.
Agreed, when we held out on a contract in an urban school - most of o it issues were - class sizes, supplies, books for kids, copies, having enough desks, Increase pay/insurance was some of it as should be with every contract - including cost of living increase.
We fight to get things in our contract that support students - in our contract - we have a cap of 30 kids in a classroom and no more than 125 total kids in a day at the hs level - this is for the student benefit - not because we are lazy! Chicago schools are awful - they are horrible to walk into, don’t have resources or supplies. Unions help fight for those.
How is the average class size counted under this scenario -
Classroom A with teacher has 30 students. Classroom B without chronically absent teacher has 30 students. Teacher A goes back and forth during the day between the rooms trying to teach both classrooms. Does teacher A have 60 students in a class that day? The chronically absent teacher does not figure into the calculation at all.
Oh, by the way, teacher B checks 2, maybe 3 intersectional boxes for the school administration, so nothing will be done there.
This happens all the time at CPS, including at the illustrious Whitney Young Magnet High School.
Perhaps I am falling behind in my reading. Is GM still an American company and did the company and their union have and settle a strike this year?
GENERAL MOTORS COMPANY
(Exact name of registrant as specified in its charter)
STATE OF DELAWARE 27-0756180
(State or other jurisdiction of
incorporation or organization)
(I.R.S. Employer
Identification No.)
300 Renaissance Center, Detroit, Michigan 48265-3000
(Address of principal executive of ices) (Zip Code)
FDR of all people drew a clear distinction between private and and public unionization. JFK undid that when it was clear they would need more votes than could be had by Daley's minions copying the names onto the ballots from the cemetery gravestones on 111th Street.
I am free to elect to purchase or not purchase a GM product. If they go under, then that's on them, unless I have to pay for their government bailouts, of course. Property taxes which pay for most school funding are ultimately collected by the government at a point of a gun when evicting one out of their house for not paying or coming up short, in case the property owner's wealth cannot outrun the escalating tax liability of the dubious property value. Eddie Burke's law firm is not much help with the property tax appeals at the moment, unfortunately.
I can always tell the big union / worker's rights supporters by the "swoosh" on their shoes, too, many in the teacher strike marcher lines.
Teachers union needs to be broken wrote:
Public School Teaching... A profession that has a profound and lasting impact on our society that is dictated by a bunch of undereducated union thugs. A profession where it is next to impossible to fire under achieving workers. A profession that shuffles under achieving workers to different class rooms to teach different subjects. A profession that doesn’t reward the high achieving workers.
Parents or soon to be parents if you have the ability to enroll your kids in a private school - save your kids and yourself from hardship and give your kids a rigorous education that will equip them with the ability to succeed.
Private schools: where you don't even need a teaching degree to work.
Hak wrote:
Agreed, when we held out on a contract in an urban school - most of o it issues were - class sizes, supplies, books for kids, copies, having enough desks, Increase pay/insurance was some of it as should be with every contract - including cost of living increase.
We fight to get things in our contract that support students - in our contract - we have a cap of 30 kids in a classroom and no more than 125 total kids in a day at the hs level - this is for the student benefit - not because we are lazy! Chicago schools are awful - they are horrible to walk into, don’t have resources or supplies. Unions help fight for those.
Thanks for this!! It's too easy to just try to throw out old union stereotypes that don't apply in 2019. CTU is one of the most cutting edge unions in the entire country. They're doing a lot of common good bargaining right now, which hasn't been the norm in the American labor movement. I'm really interested in seeing if/when other unions try to follow suit. This fight is absolutely about kids. That doesn't mean money isn't important but over 7 days they haven't countered the cost of living offer.
Would be awesome for this strike to somehow force the city into bankruptcy.
This is not about the kids who have faithfully worked for four years to achieve their dream only to be crushed by a bunch of pathetic whining adults. This is only about these whining adults.
Public schools are glorified day cares. Why do homeschooled students, even adjusting for income level, blow public school students out of the water?
thinker of logic wrote:
VirtueSignaler wrote:
+1
Whatever happened to: "it's all about the children."
Poverty happened. Inequality happened. Inequity happened. Trauma happened.
Teachers are now counselors, social workers, nurse practitioners, parents, and nutritionists to 20+ students, in addition to giving instruction.
And they're not given the time, resources, or training to handle that extremely demanding additional workload.
So, "it's all about the children" doesn't just mean that, it means it's about ALL the children, as well.
Not just the kids from upper middle class white families that would likely be successful without going to school in the first place. Not just the kids that have to miss a running race.
This. All teachers in my state are now being required to get mental health training and be able to spot potential suicides beforehand. And likely subject to charges and lawsuits if there is a suicide.
And stop calling them teachers - they are much more than that, since parents abdicated. Now they also have to be psychologists.
Why are there so many teacher shortages if it is such a great gig?
Every single teacher that thought their few month boycott was worth destroying the four year effort and dream of their students are absolutely cowards and frauds. They don't care about the kids, they only think about themselves. I can't imagine if I was a runner affected by teachers actions and then had to walk into the room with such pathetic cowards. These people are not role models.