Agree. In the Tour de France, if a rider crashes and takes down 8 others, there is no do-over. The racers themselves might neutralize the race to allow a contender to come back, but they sure do not have to. Ask Jakob Fuglsnag. On Stage 1 this year a crash took him out and ended his hope for a podium finish.
the magic rat wrote:
rojo wrote:
Plus a re-run would create great TV ratings.
Yeah, I'm sure tons of people would flock to their TVs to see a re-run of an event -- MINUS the best guy in the field -- that I imagine barely anyone watched in the first place.
Now, they could get big ratings if they lit the hurdles on fire. That would be a must watch event for all of America.
sbeefyk2 wrote:
the magic rat wrote:
Yeah, I'm sure tons of people would flock to their TVs to see a re-run of an event -- MINUS the best guy in the field -- that I imagine barely anyone watched in the first place.
Now, they could get big ratings if they lit the hurdles on fire. That would be a must watch event for all of America.
And then you put crocodiles or piranhas in the steeplechase moat...
greenliner wrote:
Agree. In the Tour de France, if a rider crashes and takes down 8 others, there is no do-over. The racers themselves might neutralize the race to allow a contender to come back, but they sure do not have to. Ask Jakob Fuglsnag. On Stage 1 this year a crash took him out and ended his hope for a podium finish.
That’s not exactly true in all situations. If there is a crash in the last couple kilometers of a stage, they will give the riders in the crash the same time as the peloton for that stage. (This might only apply to group sprints versus mountain tops.) But they can’t place in the stage, and of course it is a lot easier to come up with solutions like this on a multistage race versus a single sprint where hundredths of a second determine the winner.
Just award Ortega an extra silver. It two people dead tie in a race (Bromell/De Degrasse for bronze in 2015 100m) then they give an extra medal.
ncrecuvuer wrote:
Just award Ortega an extra silver. It two people dead tie in a race (Bromell/De Degrasse for bronze in 2015 100m) then they give an extra medal.
Only if its the bronze. If it was 2 silvers, there'd be no bronze.
If two golds, the next would be bronze
Mcleod the lil fool wrote:
No, this is why Shubenkov was happy to run from lane 9, away from McLeod. This clown already took out Shubenkov early in the year causing him to lose training time. No way Ortega was beating Shubenkov who was closing like a freight train as usual.
This^ what a snowflake BroJo. The unaffiliated Russian ended up with an infection. McLeod has been so off for the most part of the year that he is the danger out there. Race organizers should not let him run unless he can demonstrate that he can clear high hurdles.
As much as McLeod's bumper car performance once again affected a race, and as likely as Ortega was to medal at that point, it is the hurdles and you can't say what was going to happen without that interference. Maybe you give McLeod a DQ in advance for some DL races in the future to try to deter this kind of reckless performance but I don't see how you can either re-run the race with six people, potentially costing two blameless athletes medals, or just award Ortega a medal for something uncertain--at that point several others had a shot as well at a medal besides those who got them.
When Robles was disqualified from the 2011 WC final a few years ago for pulling back on Liu Xiang - he took away a gold from Xiang, if you watch the video below - They took away Robles medal and upgraded the places behind him, that's how Jason Richardson became world champion. You can judge whether Xiang would have won the race without the cheating. But they didn't rerun that race either...
Spain appealed and the IAAF rejected it:
An Appeal was lodged by Team SPAIN, claiming that their athlete Orlando ORTEGA was obstructed during the race and seriously affected, as he was third at the time of the incident but his progress was clearly impeded, making it impossible for him to maintain the medal position.
Team Spain requested that, under Rule 163.2 a), either the race be re-held, or the athlete be allowed to compete alone.
If the above request is not accepted, Team Spain request that, as a fair sporting gesture, ORTEGA be awarded the medal corresponding to his position at the time of the obstruction..
The Jury of Appeal met and, after reviewing the circumstances of the race, acknowledged that the Spanish athlete had been impeded. The Jury concluded however that this type of incident is not unusual in hurdles events.
The appeal was therefore denied, and the Jury accepted the Referee decision.
My hot take:
That guy flopped and took out the other guy on purpose! You can see he stretches his trail leg out and takes the other guy down.
He may have even flopped because he knew he wasn’t going to win.
Maybe they can rerun the 1984 women’s Olympic 3000m and give Mary Decker another shot.
Or rerun the 1972 men’s Olympic 1500m semifinal for Jim Ryun.
Yes this would be most ideal, however IAAF is not competent enough to think this way and have it happen. Everyone who is saying that everyone else in the race should have a rerun as well is total baloney. No one else in the race had their race impacted by MacLeod’s actions besides Ortega so there is literally no reason why anyone else besides Ortega should be given a re run. The US women were allowed to get a rerun at the 2016 rio olympics in the 4x1 prelim heats when another country impacted their handoff which materially affected the outcome of their race. They did not make all the teams in the heat do a re run, rather the Us team did a solo re run where if their time made the top 8 they would bump out the slowest time before then and advance to the final.
David S wrote:
runningmanic2 wrote:
I agree however, the only people who should be permitted to do a re-run is to where McLeod materially affected the outcome of their race. The only person who would qualify for the re run is Ortega. Nobody else should be allowed to re run because their own individual race was not impacted by McLeod's actions. I'd say let Ortega do a solo re-run and if his time is faster than anyone on the medal podium make the shift from there.
Another option is for the IAAF to place in a rule where if you materially affect the outcome of someone else's race, you should be fined a monetary value and the person affected would then receive that as compensation.
I agree with you that only Ortega should get to do a re-run, but it's not fair to the other athletes to get bumped by him. So I think they should let Ortega do a re-run, and if he finishes on the podium then give him an extra (4th) medal. I.e. if he finishes in the silver position, then give one gold, two silver medals, and one bronze.
Star wrote:
Maybe they can rerun the 1984 women’s Olympic 3000m and give Mary Decker another shot.
Or rerun the 1972 men’s Olympic 1500m semifinal for Jim Ryun.
It’s asinine to compare 110H and distance races regarding a rerun.
I don't understand why the have the rule on the books if they aren't going to use it in this case. He clearly had just moved into 2nd place. There was only 1 hurdle left. It's not like it happened at the first hurdle.
What if the rerun winner runs faster than Holloway?
I know Holloway is the winner but will results read:
1) Holloway 13.10
2) Runner B 13.07
3) Runner C 13.10
It could be very confusing from a historic perspective looking back.
Since Omar appears to veer to his right and impedes runners to his right. Race organizers should mandate he only run in LANE 9.
And there I was at the start of the race thinking how unlucky it was for Shubenkov to be in Lane 9!
rojo wrote:
I don't understand why the have the rule on the books if they aren't going to use it in this case. He clearly had just moved into 2nd place. There was only 1 hurdle left. It's not like it happened at the first hurdle.
The rule should only be used if multiple runners/athletes had a significant impact. One person impeding another isn't enough to make a re run of the entire race. Its unfortunate, however Ortega should be allowed a solo re run and if his time meets the top 3 give him whichever medal it would place but also let the original 3 keep their own medals too. I do not agree to force everyone in the race to re run when the only one who was impacted was Ortega.
I can see the rule being used where let's see in a distance race where one person decides to plow and impede through multiple runners, affecting the material outcome of not just one runner but multiple runners then a re run would certainly be necessary. You really have to look at the context of the race and whether or not the re run would benefit more than just one or two people.
Roberts would of won this. Holloway is almost ass backwards for as tall as he is. His start is great but then he slows down. Roberts usually starts slower but finishes like a train knocking down most of the hurdles on his way. I guess in that respect he's sort of like McLeod.
But at least in Roberts and Holloway USA men's hurdling is in good hands.
Should Holloway be a decathlete? He can do it all. He'd dominate the 100, 400, lj and Hj. The rest I don't know about, I'm sure he wouldn't have much trouble running a mile