Coevett wrote:
At least if we do win a gold, we wont have to worry about the shame of eventually having to hand it back when the athlete eventually fails a test.
How many American 800m runners have served doping bans?
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Coevett wrote:
At least if we do win a gold, we wont have to worry about the shame of eventually having to hand it back when the athlete eventually fails a test.
How many American 800m runners have served doping bans?
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Coevett wrote:
douglas burke wrote:
Great Britain has a runner named Max Burgin, who has run 1:45.36, (He is 16 or 17 years old born in 2002) who is going to end Great Britains drought in the 800 and 1500, He will break Wilson Kipketers European Record in the 800 and Farah's 1500 Record EASILY in the next 3-5 years.
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Yes, shame Burgin's season was hampered by injury. Amazing that a guy just turned 17 could still solo run a 1:45.3 in an injury ravaged season. If he hadn't had the injury problems he could well have made the team for Doha.
Also Ethan Hussey is a year younger than Max and has ran 1:50. But get this - he's a 5K runner. Early this year he ran 14:26 or something at 15 - on the roads. It will be interesting to see how both of them perform in xcountry this winter.
We have a lot of other middle-distance talent coming through too. And let's not forget our 1 -2 in the UK Championships weren't here in Doha.
GB is on the up, Kenya is on the way down.
Can we keep our reality heads on please. It's unfair to put that kind of pressure on young athletes and looks pretty stupid to make claims of world records also.
Have you not just seen what happens to a 1:44/1:45 athlete in the current 800m climate? It's not good enough for the final, in most cases it's only enough for 5th/6th/7th in the semis.
If this is an argument about USA Vs UK in the 800m Brazier has run 1:42 this year and has a real chance of gold. USA have 2 others in the final. Saying 'but but we have a teenager who's run 1:45' is embarrassing frankly. Our current talent like Langford and Giles should do better.
Coevett wrote:
At least if we do win a gold, we wont have to worry about the shame of eventually having to hand it back when the athlete eventually fails a test.
Grice is doped to the gills my guy.
Coevett wrote:
I have doubts wrote:
No listed 400m on I.A.A.F. That leads me to believe the lad, to date is not able to race F.A.T. sub-49.00 400m. Which teenage 49+ 400m runner ends up racing sub-47.5 400m is hard to predict. If Burgin trains for 1500m, he will be less likely to improve much as a 400m runner (unless he's on the juice). Eight-hundred metres is correlated with one's 400m best. Not so much with one's 1500m best. Some sub-1:44 800m men cannot break 3:45 1500m. Nearly all sub-1:44 800m runners are sub-48 400m men.
He ran a 400 relay leg last year at end of tiring season (at 16) in 47.9.
He's been training for the 1500m for several years and does xcountry every winter, training like Coe and Ovett (as is Hussey), and he's probably going to take chunks off all his pbs from 400m to xcountry for at least a couple more years.
Some runners just have exceptional talent (and train the right way).
Well, we know you aren't talking about the Kenyans, because they can only run 1:45, 3:35, and 13:00 clean. Good thing Kipketer is from Denmark!
Remind how many medals the US won in the womens 100m final...cheers.
ex-runner wrote:
If this is an argument about USA Vs UK in the 800m Brazier has run 1:42 this year and has a real chance of gold. USA have 2 others in the final. Saying 'but but we have a teenager who's run 1:45' is embarrassing frankly. Our current talent like Langford and Giles should do better.
The USA has five times the population of GB. It also doesn't have soccer draining off countless talented 800m kids. I'm pleased for the USA doing well but comparisons with us are a bit silly. GB has a lot of depth, but unlike the USA we don't yet have a couple of guys who can go to the next level. Kyle Langford has the talent but has been stymied by injuries and other problems. Max Burgin and several other youngsters certainly have the talent.
In the 1500m it's the other way round. GB seems to have the guys coming through who can make finals.
Don't forget also that 3 of our best 800m runners - Jake Wightman, Josh Kerr, Thomas Staines are choosing the 1500m and/or have been injured.
Brits are distracted by Brexit and Boris. Not a surprise that they might underachieve a bit at this WC.
Coevett wrote:
The USA has five times the population of GB. It also doesn't have soccer draining off countless talented 800m kids.
Maybe soccer doesn't drain off much talent. But the other major sports sure do. (And this data is from three years ago)
https://erikrood.com/Posts/earnings_per_minute_sports.pngCoevett wrote:
ex-runner wrote:
If this is an argument about USA Vs UK in the 800m Brazier has run 1:42 this year and has a real chance of gold. USA have 2 others in the final. Saying 'but but we have a teenager who's run 1:45' is embarrassing frankly. Our current talent like Langford and Giles should do better.
The USA has five times the population of GB. It also doesn't have soccer draining off countless talented 800m kids. I'm pleased for the USA doing well but comparisons with us are a bit silly. GB has a lot of depth, but unlike the USA we don't yet have a couple of guys who can go to the next level. Kyle Langford has the talent but has been stymied by injuries and other problems. Max Burgin and several other youngsters certainly have the talent.
In the 1500m it's the other way round. GB seems to have the guys coming through who can make finals.
Don't forget also that 3 of our best 800m runners - Jake Wightman, Josh Kerr, Thomas Staines are choosing the 1500m and/or have been injured.
You started the comparison after the prelims, I just continued it when you forgot to.
Raddison wrote:
Coevett wrote:
The USA has five times the population of GB. It also doesn't have soccer draining off countless talented 800m kids.
Maybe soccer doesn't drain off much talent. But the other major sports sure do. (And this data is from three years ago)
https://erikrood.com/Posts/earnings_per_minute_sports.png
Didn't realize MLB is so far ahead of the other sports, and didn't realize that the NHL is nearly the same as the NFL.
Lots of the creeps on here would lead you to believe NBA and NFL are far ahead.
You clearly have no knowledge of how popular soccer is in the United States.
Stop making excuses for Langford. He ran poorly at worlds, he wasn't unlucky.
Raddison wrote:
Coevett wrote:
The USA has five times the population of GB. It also doesn't have soccer draining off countless talented 800m kids.
Maybe soccer doesn't drain off much talent. But the other major sports sure do. (And this data is from three years ago)
https://erikrood.com/Posts/earnings_per_minute_sports.png
I hate to waste time debunking this nonsense again, but here goes.
1. Essentially all NFL players are at least 6 ft. 185 lbs. Only cornerbacks are that small. Even WRs are typically closer to 6'4 and 220. Essentially no NFL players have skills that translate into any track sport other than the 100m. Damn little poaching goes on.
2. NBA. Essentially all of these guys are ridiculously tall. None of them have track skills.
3. Hockey. These are the guys most likely to be decent 5k runners, but their asses are too large. They might be poaching from the Olympic skating team.
4. Baseball. Not really even a sport. These guys don't run more than 10m at a time.
5. MLS. Luis Enrique broke 3 hours in the marathon. I doubt anyone in MLS is as fit as he is. There's not much "talent" in MLS anyway.
Coevett wrote:
ex-runner wrote:
If this is an argument about USA Vs UK in the 800m Brazier has run 1:42 this year and has a real chance of gold. USA have 2 others in the final. Saying 'but but we have a teenager who's run 1:45' is embarrassing frankly. Our current talent like Langford and Giles should do better.
The USA has five times the population of GB. It also doesn't have soccer draining off countless talented 800m kids. I'm pleased for the USA doing well but comparisons with us are a bit silly. GB has a lot of depth, but unlike the USA we don't yet have a couple of guys who can go to the next level. Kyle Langford has the talent but has been stymied by injuries and other problems. Max Burgin and several other youngsters certainly have the talent.
In the 1500m it's the other way round. GB seems to have the guys coming through who can make finals.
Don't forget also that 3 of our best 800m runners - Jake Wightman, Josh Kerr, Thomas Staines are choosing the 1500m and/or have been injured.
In U.S., conditioning/weight coaches place many pounds of muscle weight on Am. football players. In U.S., we have many potential elite 800m runners, 5'10" 145lbs. at age fourteen or fifteen who end up 6'1" 195lbs. due to the weight room. In my high school region, there were two or three guys, sub-2 minutes 800m who focused mainly on Am. football, no fall XC. If I had the opportunity to train Alan Iverson, Randy Moss and Colin Kaepernick from age 12, at least a flip of the coin chance I could have made one or more a sub-1:45 800m man. Soccer as played in G.B. does not change the body build of possible 800m runners. I believe soccer is great training for 800m. My high school T&F team had two sub-2:05 800m guys who were mainly soccer players no fall XC.
Coevett wrote:
ex-runner wrote:
If this is an argument about USA Vs UK in the 800m Brazier has run 1:42 this year and has a real chance of gold. USA have 2 others in the final. Saying 'but but we have a teenager who's run 1:45' is embarrassing frankly. Our current talent like Langford and Giles should do better.
The USA has five times the population of GB. It also doesn't have soccer draining off countless talented 800m kids. I'm pleased for the USA doing well but comparisons with us are a bit silly. GB has a lot of depth, but unlike the USA we don't yet have a couple of guys who can go to the next level. Kyle Langford has the talent but has been stymied by injuries and other problems. Max Burgin and several other youngsters certainly have the talent.
In the 1500m it's the other way round. GB seems to have the guys coming through who can make finals.
Don't forget also that 3 of our best 800m runners - Jake Wightman, Josh Kerr, Thomas Staines are choosing the 1500m and/or have been injured.
Thomas Staines could be on the GB 4x4 team with his FAT timed 45.xx.
The fact that he hit 1:45 last year (D2 champion, CSU Pueblo) and almost went sub 4 in his only mile attempt is telling.
Staines should be getting at least as much attention from GB T&F as the teenagers are getting. ....Staines is only 20 y.o.
Plus, his parents were Olympians.
Surprised with the lack of props he gets here on LRC and from.GB.
RockyMountainHigh wrote:
Coevett wrote:
The USA has five times the population of GB. It also doesn't have soccer draining off countless talented 800m kids. I'm pleased for the USA doing well but comparisons with us are a bit silly. GB has a lot of depth, but unlike the USA we don't yet have a couple of guys who can go to the next level. Kyle Langford has the talent but has been stymied by injuries and other problems. Max Burgin and several other youngsters certainly have the talent.
In the 1500m it's the other way round. GB seems to have the guys coming through who can make finals.
Don't forget also that 3 of our best 800m runners - Jake Wightman, Josh Kerr, Thomas Staines are choosing the 1500m and/or have been injured.
Thomas Staines could be on the GB 4x4 team with his FAT timed 45.xx.
The fact that he hit 1:45 last year (D2 champion, CSU Pueblo) and almost went sub 4 in his only mile attempt is telling.
Staines should be getting at least as much attention from GB T&F as the teenagers are getting. ....Staines is only 20 y.o.
Plus, his parents were Olympians.
Surprised with the lack of props he gets here on LRC and from.GB.
Was nowhere near making the finals at the British champs. Yes, please hang your future hopes on this lad.
Coevett wrote:
ex-runner wrote:
If this is an argument about USA Vs UK in the 800m Brazier has run 1:42 this year and has a real chance of gold. USA have 2 others in the final. Saying 'but but we have a teenager who's run 1:45' is embarrassing frankly. Our current talent like Langford and Giles should do better.
The USA has five times the population of GB. It also doesn't have soccer draining off countless talented 800m kids. I'm pleased for the USA doing well but comparisons with us are a bit silly. GB has a lot of depth, but unlike the USA we don't yet have a couple of guys who can go to the next level. Kyle Langford has the talent but has been stymied by injuries and other problems. Max Burgin and several other youngsters certainly have the talent.
In the 1500m it's the other way round. GB seems to have the guys coming through who can make finals.
Don't forget also that 3 of our best 800m runners - Jake Wightman, Josh Kerr, Thomas Staines are choosing the 1500m and/or have been injured.
You started the comparison. Population size didn't matter when the UK had Coe, Ovett, Cram, Elliot etc. Relative populations in terms of serious participation in athletics is probably not that different between the UK and USA.
Stained didn't make the US final. Kerr isn't an 800m runner he'd probably struggle to make it through the rounds. I can't see Wightman doing much better than Giles, he's much better at the 1500.
Langford has the pace needed to make it but God knows what he's been doing this year. Webb is good in a time trial but that's not championship running.
All these threads on the world "championships" show is how toxic of a construct nationalism is.
Have fun finishing behind Brazier for years to come, lads!
300 million Americans in the store buying toothbrushes, zero brits.
coetarded wrote:
Have fun finishing behind Brazier for years to come, lads!
He'll be back to being a 1:44 runner next season now his coach has been banned for four years.
