boobie lee wrote:
Simone Biles is the GOAT, but she lacks the grace and artistry of older generation gymnasts like Nadia and this has nothing to do with race.
I love watching Nadia's old videos, she was amazing.
Simone is on a completely other level. She is kind of unbelievably phenomenal, taking the sport further than anyone thought possible. She essentially IS the Usain Bolt of gymnastics.
polevaultpower wrote:
Simone Biles is better at gymnastics than Usain Bolt was at sprinting. She is legit the GOAT.
Usain Bolt is the GOAT sprinter and re-wrote the records books unlike anyone else before. Gold medals galore. Looking through results (briefly), I don't see very many losses over 100m or 200m in a final.
Can you be better than that?
Simone Biles' height would give her a disadvantage in high jump. Even though Biles, I am sure is very strong for her size, most likely she is not strong enough to be a great pole vaulter. Female pole vaulters tend to be very strong 6'0" 160lbs. women. Her size does not hold her back as much in long jump &/or triple jump. I'd like to see Biles long jump and triple jump.
Actually she is not the Yousian Bolt of gymnastics because she is not a male. How is her rings routine? Pommel horse? parallel bars?
Also, how da f do you come up with this GOAT crap? Biles has 3 individual Olympics gold medals. Nadia has 5. How the f is 3 greater than 5??? And that's just Nadia. Who knows how many others may have more Olympic gold.
LJ or TJ wrote:
Simone Biles' height would give her a disadvantage in high jump. Even though Biles, I am sure is very strong for her size, most likely she is not strong enough to be a great pole vaulter. Female pole vaulters tend to be very strong 6'0" 160lbs. women. Her size does not hold her back as much in long jump &/or triple jump. I'd like to see Biles long jump and triple jump.
I think you are correct in that those would be her best track & field events. However it would take years for her to
make the changes necessary and even then it's doubtful she has the talent for it. Most of the time our body chooses
our sport for us.
polevaultpower wrote:
Track tends to outlaw gymnastics-like elements from everything except the pole vault. Cartwheels are not allowed in the shot put... flips are not allowed in the long jump...
Just out of curiosity, is there an actual shot put technique that involves cartwheeling? I can't imagine it.
Inika MacPherson is 5'5" and has jumped 6'5". Is that the record for a woman jumping above her own height?
She is strong enough to poke vault. Speed is more important than muscular strength, her speed will bend the pole and I'm sure shes strong enough to hold it.
The real question is how tall Simone Biles could have grown without taking methylphenidate for years.
My daughter had a classmate in high school who was an all state medalist in gymnastics, diving and in track and field (both pole vault and high jump). Her gymnastics training sure crossed over well!
LJ or TJ wrote:
Her size does not hold her back as much in long jump &/or triple jump. I'd like to see Biles long jump and triple jump.
No, her size would be a factor in those events too. Speed is a major component of long/triple jumps. Because Biles is so short, her stride length would also be very short, limiting how fast she could go on the runup. Relative to her size she could probably do a decent long jump, but relative to all long jumpers she would be far inferior. You don't see < 5 ft. women long jumpers for that reason.
boobie lee wrote:
Simone Biles is the GOAT, but she lacks the grace and artistry of older generation gymnasts like Nadia and this has nothing to do with race.
It all has to do with the points system. It used to be that grace and artistry were valued higher and over the years, difficulty reigned supreme. So now someone with simple, graceful skills, won't make it.
Hmmm.... wrote:
The real question is how tall Simone Biles could have grown without taking methylphenidate for years.
I first wanted to answer "eh what bullshit are you spewing?", until I actually looked it up.
https://www.webmd.com/add-adhd/childhood-adhd/news/20070720/adhd-drug-does-stunt-growth#1Ritalin apparently does slow down growth. And we know that Biles has ADHD and also took meds for it. So it probably helped to have her being 1-2" smaller than she would have grown naturally if she had not taken that meds. Now I have no clue when she started it and if any of it was to reduce growth or it was just a convenient side effect. Still an odd coincidence...
polevaultpower wrote:
FlipFlop. wrote:
Even without the floor, doing a round off handspring into the jump would make for an interesting technique for high jump. They could call it the FlipFlop. Is it legal?
No. Two footed takeoffs are not allowed in the high jump.
Track tends to outlaw gymnastics-like elements from everything except the pole vault. Cartwheels are not allowed in the shot put... flips are not allowed in the long jump...
And yeah the gymnastics floor has springs underneath it. It is much less bouncy than a trampoline, but definitely more bouncy than a track surface.
Simone Biles is better at gymnastics than Usain Bolt was at sprinting. She is legit the GOAT.
But she would be a crappy high jumper because she is very very short. Even if she jumped well over her height, it still wouldn't be that high.
A better second sport for her to pick up would be diving. I don't see her having world class potential in track and field, not even the pole vault.
Umm...ever hear of Nadia Comaneci...perfect 10's?, like 6 or 7 perfect 10's and three golds at same meet. Simone is awesome, but she's not the GOAT.
I'd like to see her train in some wrestling, jujitsu, judo, boxing type arts and do MMA. All that power...with a few years of training she'd probably do pretty well.
Is she too short to do 100m hurdles?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Antonietta_Di_MartinoYMMV wrote:
Inika MacPherson is 5'5" and has jumped 6'5". Is that the record for a woman jumping above her own height?
http://speedendurance.com/2015/07/20/what-is-the-high-jump-world-record-by-height-differential/Just Another LRC Idiot wrote:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Antonietta_Di_MartinoYMMV wrote:
Inika MacPherson is 5'5" and has jumped 6'5". Is that the record for a woman jumping above her own height?
Jacobs and Holm both 59cm or 23 inches!
Which brings up one of my favorite "stunt" videos
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WVZ3ZcorTF0Solid 6/10 troll post, but she is far too short.
In addition, as others have mentioned, the floor is spring-loaded. You ever been on one? I've spent a lot of time on those things. Truly amazing how high you can jump just by pumping your calves.
If you watch the slo-mo (or any slo-mo of these kinds of flips), you notice that very little of the jump is coming directly from her legs, as it does in high jump.
Instead, the horizontal speed she gains is channelled directly into the floor at an angle on the two-footed takeoff. This takes advantage of the springs and launches her into the air.
Now, she has EXTREMELY powerful legs to be able to maintain the rigidity necessary to channel her speed in a straight line directly into the floor, then rotating out of it. But without that gymnastics floor design, she wouldn't get any height off this jump.
MaybeNot wrote:
polevaultpower wrote:
No. Two footed takeoffs are not allowed in the high jump.
Track tends to outlaw gymnastics-like elements from everything except the pole vault. Cartwheels are not allowed in the shot put... flips are not allowed in the long jump...
And yeah the gymnastics floor has springs underneath it. It is much less bouncy than a trampoline, but definitely more bouncy than a track surface.
Simone Biles is better at gymnastics than Usain Bolt was at sprinting. She is legit the GOAT.
But she would be a crappy high jumper because she is very very short. Even if she jumped well over her height, it still wouldn't be that high.
A better second sport for her to pick up would be diving. I don't see her having world class potential in track and field, not even the pole vault.
Umm...ever hear of Nadia Comaneci...perfect 10's?, like 6 or 7 perfect 10's and three golds at same meet. Simone is awesome, but she's not the GOAT.
You obviously know nothing about gymnastics. It certainly is undeniable that Simone is the best gymnast of all time in terms of acrobatic ability. Nadia was a wonderful gymnast with lots of elegance and charisma, but she did not perform difficult gymnastic elements by modern standards. Besides, the scoring system back then is nothing like it is today. Forget the fact that Nadia’s simple routines in today’s time would never reach the level of being judged by elite standards— even if they could, they would not be awarded a perfect 10.
The sport has transformed so much since then that it really is impossible to compare Simone and Nadia— to be successful in each one’s time requires different abilities and talents!