Gault, you are right!
We hear "Jenny should run the steeple", and meanwhile Simpson collects another 1500 medal. Smartest runner around.
Ya think maybe she likes running the 1500? Could be...
Gault, you are right!
We hear "Jenny should run the steeple", and meanwhile Simpson collects another 1500 medal. Smartest runner around.
Ya think maybe she likes running the 1500? Could be...
zxvxcvcvcz wrote:
Kipyegon is looking good again and so is going to be in there at the end. Winnie is a medal threat as well.
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looking good again?
she is the olympic champion and world champion. There was never a time where she hasn't look good. I don't think there is anyone on the planet, maybe Dibaba ( beat faith at the wc in 2015, and should have done it at the olympics) ,who can beat her straight out from 800m in a 1500m race. But we all know Dibaba can't sit still for the last lap. Always have to run a scorching 400m third lap.
Faith has no weaknesses....none.
Jenny is a tactical kicker
Muir is a fader
hassan is a fader
Dibaba is bone headed
Houlihan is a tactical kicker.
Faith? Pick your poison, any kind of race.
World champs are still two months away. A lot can change during that time.
I’m not concerned about Simpson at all. She’s a gamer.
If worlds was at the end of August as it usually is, and Muir ran this race at the Doha DL people wouldn’t be as hyped. We see this happen often in a normal year at Doha or Shanghai. Athletes run fast and fizzle.
Jenny has medals. A lot of them. And she consistently performs well at global champs. The same cannot he said for Muir at the moment.
Scorpion_runner wrote:
Faith has no weaknesses....none.
Except for that abductor!
I hope she recovers, but the odds are against it.
If they are healthy, Jenny has basically a zero percent chance of beating the following women in an match-race 1500.
Laura Muir
Shelby Houlihan
Sifan Hassan
Faith Kipyegon
I probably should add G Dibaba to the list but she's so inconsistent, it's hard to do so.
Now Kipyegon is injured/coming back from pregnancy and Hassan might skip out of the 1500.
And if others run for the win like Koko did today, they might tie up and finish out of the medals so a medal is certianly possible for Simpson.
But in the steeple, if she is healthy, there is only one woman Simpson has basically a zero percent chance of beating - Chepkoech. Simpson is clearly a better flat runner than Coburn or Frerichs ever dreamed of being.
So in the 1500, Simpson is hoping 4-5 women at a minimum are either a) off their game or b) opting for another event if she wants to win gold. In the steeple, she's hoping for 1 woman to be off her game.
Jonathan Gault wrote:
Given how good Chepkoech has been I think her odds of gold are smaller in the steeple than in the 1500. Plus it's already too late for her to get a qualifier to USAs...just a ridiculous argument.
I'm not talking about this year. I'm talking about 2020.
What do people do as they age? They move up in distance?
No, her odds of gold are WAY higher in the steeple than 1500. Basically zero in the 1500. In the steeple, woudl anyone dare bet against her against anyone other than Chepkoech.
Few points..... wrote:
I was going to say this - I think Muir prob is in 355 shape now - but could be down to 352/3 shape as season goes. Thinking back to her 355 she ran her first British record at this London meet (357) and that was off much more even pace - so definitely see her getting few seconds off her on this year.
While acknowledging the points above which say Rojo is off base here - comments about Muir fizzling out are wrong. Bottom line is Muir goes for gold in the last few major championships - and Simpson runs safe hoping to pick folks off at the end - and it’s worked. I mean can not argue with Simpson having a gold - and hopefully Muir will get one soon - but these 2 athletes aren’t comparable now at all.
British 1500 running going crazy just now - I think the reekie girl is about 6th on their list with a 4.02. Wonder if Weightman does the 5 at worlds.
When she narrowly lost to Dibaba recently, she was checked just after the gun and lost about 10-15m and still ran 3:55/56 I knew then that she was in 3:53/54 shape.
rojo wrote:
Jonathan Gault wrote:
Given how good Chepkoech has been I think her odds of gold are smaller in the steeple than in the 1500. Plus it's already too late for her to get a qualifier to USAs...just a ridiculous argument.
I'm not talking about this year. I'm talking about 2020.
What do people do as they age? They move up in distance?
No, her odds of gold are WAY higher in the steeple than 1500. Basically zero in the 1500. In the steeple, woudl anyone dare bet against her against anyone other than Chepkoech.
And what happens if Chepkoech gets busted?
Jonathan Gault wrote:
I generally think Rojo knows what he's talking about when it comes to running
Thanks for the hearty chuckle, mate
rojo wrote:
Jonathan Gault wrote:
Given how good Chepkoech has been I think her odds of gold are smaller in the steeple than in the 1500. Plus it's already too late for her to get a qualifier to USAs...just a ridiculous argument.
I'm not talking about this year. I'm talking about 2020.
What do people do as they age? They move up in distance?
No, her odds of gold are WAY higher in the steeple than 1500. Basically zero in the 1500. In the steeple, woudl anyone dare bet against her against anyone other than Chepkoech.
You're also assuming that Jenny can switch over to the steeple at age 33 and immediately start running low-9:00s. That's far from a given. Yes, she is a better flat runner than Coburn/Frerichs, but she hasn't run the event for 10 years.
She doesn't want to run the steeple, people.
Jenny has plenty of medals and is always in it in the 1500 when track fans count her out. She doesn't need to steeple to medal.
rojo wrote:
If they are healthy, Jenny has basically a zero percent chance of beating the following women in an match-race 1500.
Laura Muir
Shelby Houlihan
Sifan Hassan
Faith Kipyegon
I probably should add G Dibaba to the list but she's so inconsistent, it's hard to do so.
Now Kipyegon is injured/coming back from pregnancy and Hassan might skip out of the 1500.
And if others run for the win like Koko did today, they might tie up and finish out of the medals so a medal is certianly possible for Simpson.
But in the steeple, if she is healthy, there is only one woman Simpson has basically a zero percent chance of beating - Chepkoech. Simpson is clearly a better flat runner than Coburn or Frerichs ever dreamed of being.
So in the 1500, Simpson is hoping 4-5 women at a minimum are either a) off their game or b) opting for another event if she wants to win gold. In the steeple, she's hoping for 1 woman to be off her game.
Who do you think Simpson beat (besides Kipyegon) to get those World Championships and Olympic medals? Muir twice, Hassan twice, and Dibaba once. And why are you so convinced she has no shot against Houlihan. Yeah, she beat her at USA's last year, but that's it. USA's and a World final are two completely difference races.
Who is a lock to medal in the steeple in the first place?
rojo wrote:
Jonathan Gault wrote:
Given how good Chepkoech has been I think her odds of gold are smaller in the steeple than in the 1500. Plus it's already too late for her to get a qualifier to USAs...just a ridiculous argument.
I'm not talking about this year. I'm talking about 2020.
What do people do as they age? They move up in distance?
No, her odds of gold are WAY higher in the steeple than 1500. Basically zero in the 1500. In the steeple, woudl anyone dare bet against her against anyone other than Chepkoech.
you're title says "move to steeple now." how is that "not talking about this year?" then you said she's screwed "this year ... and next." show some balls and stick to your argument instead of backing out when you get pushback for having a stupid idea.
YMMV wrote:
People have to remember that this is Laura's first year of running full time. Being in PB shape now, and peaking in eight weeks are not mutually exclusive by any means.
This
Laura Muir has been qualifying as a Veterinary Surgeon.
She hasn't been taking Psyche classes and Intro to Basketball.
She is a wonderful athlete and a ferocious competitor. A pity there weren't more athletes like her.
lol Jenny would struggle to make the US team in the steeple....she hasn't done it in years and would need a PB to make the team and probably wouldn't even make the final in Doha.
rojo wrote:
If they are healthy, Jenny has basically a zero percent chance of beating the following women in an match-race 1500.
Laura Muir
Shelby Houlihan
Sifan Hassan
Faith Kipyegon
I probably should add G Dibaba to the list but she's so inconsistent, it's hard to do so.
Now Kipyegon is injured/coming back from pregnancy and Hassan might skip out of the 1500.
And if others run for the win like Koko did today, they might tie up and finish out of the medals so a medal is certianly possible for Simpson.
But in the steeple, if she is healthy, there is only one woman Simpson has basically a zero percent chance of beating - Chepkoech. Simpson is clearly a better flat runner than Coburn or Frerichs ever dreamed of being.
So in the 1500, Simpson is hoping 4-5 women at a minimum are either a) off their game or b) opting for another event if she wants to win gold. In the steeple, she's hoping for 1 woman to be off her game.
Do you know how many times you have said Simpson has no medal chances in a championship year in which she goes on to obtain a metal? She nearly won WC17, the highest quality of women 1500m runners in history! I would genuinely be slightly shocked if she didn’t medal this year, as the competition will not be as firm.
rojo wrote:
You watch the race and you realize Jenny is screwed at the 1500 this year. Probably next as well. 57!! I mean maybe she could pick up a bronze if others try to go with Muir/Hassan but don't you want to try to run for gold?
No tact at all Rojo. Jenny isn't "screwed" in the 1500 this year. I love how everyone tries to decide when runners are "done" at an event for them, so childish. She has plenty of time left in her career to run fast at whatever event she chooses. I'm sure it could be the 1500m if she wanted to, but sometimes change is necessary in the sport.
Which makes more sense: for Colleen Quigley to move to the 1500m or Jenny Simpson to move to the steeple?
Everyone always counts out Dibaba. Dibaba has the World Lead this year at 3:55 and has beaten the likes of Muir and Hassan. She did fade badly at 2017 worlds but that was due to illness. If she runs better tactically I don’t think anyone has more raw talent.
I am "keeping my powder dry" until we see how "Shelbo" (Shelby Houlihan) runs at nationals? She is the killer kicker in the bunch. Never vote against someone who can generate her kind of speed in a championship race. It is only her lack of experience in championships that are a concern.