Decision! wrote:
Kejelcha, Barega, T. Bekele to name a few.
Jakob is a talent but there is no need to exaggerate his achievements. If Gebriwet didn't run 26:48 a few days ago, he would have run faster from the start.
What was the point of Hagos running this race so soon after a hard 10k PB? Not a DL event and he’s already run faster this year. Might be cooked by Doha.
limbs everywhere wrote:
Gonna go out on a limb and say Jakob is capable of 12:46-48 in a fast race.
In a race like Paris 2012 or Brussels 2018, I absolutely think Jakob could approach the range you have listed.
Hurricane 1 wrote:
Tinman gets absolutely destroyed. That's pitiful.
Lol, where's the guy who says Tinman Elite always show up when it counts?
He is amazing but the assertion this is the WR for 18 yr olds or something of that nature is ludicrous. This if anything supports the argument that certain East Africans running 12:xx or low 3:30s at a claimed age of
Think about it wrote:
He is amazing but the assertion this is the WR for 18 yr olds or something of that nature is ludicrous. This if anything supports the argument that certain East Africans running 12:xx or low 3:30s at a claimed age of
Maybe if now he never gets any faster, just like most of the African 'juniors'.
Think about it wrote:
He is amazing but the assertion this is the WR for 18 yr olds or something of that nature is ludicrous. This if anything supports the argument that certain East Africans running 12:xx or low 3:30s at a claimed age of
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...claimed age of
Think about it 2 wrote:
Think about it wrote:
He is amazing but the assertion this is the WR for 18 yr olds or something of that nature is ludicrous. This if anything supports the argument that certain East Africans running 12:xx or low 3:30s at a claimed age of
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...claimed age of
I’ll make it quick keep getting cut off.I think this shows some East Africans are legit
Look at Kipchoge (is he 38 now running 201 as he would be if 22 at 2003 WC? I say no way). Conditions in EA better for fast times at young age vs US / Europe
You can't use the "less than" symbol on these forums; you'll get cut off every time.
rare wrote:
Hurricane 1 wrote:
Tinman gets absolutely destroyed. That's pitiful.
Lol, where's the guy who says Tinman Elite always show up when it counts?
Why would this race constitute "when it counts"? Most people would consider national championships, global championships, etc (ie GOAL RACES) to be "when it counts". With that said, I am not necessarily defending the claim that Tinman Elite always shows up, just pointing out that this is not a counterexample and you are silly.
Last try wrote:
Look at Kipchoge (is he 38 now running 201 as he would be if 22 at 2003 WC? I say no way). Conditions in EA better for fast times at young age vs US / Europe
We have no idea what a world class runner could do in the marathon at 38 if he had been doping himself with EPO for the previous 20 or more years. Perhaps Kipchoge is exactly what you would get.
Besides, maybe Kipchoge is 36/was 20?
Serious question for Coevett and the other specialists for the subject:
We all know that beeing world class over 1500m and 5000m is very suspicious for north and east Africans (in contrast to the allowed 800m/1500m combo, which the Brits used to like). But we also know that this can't be true for the white European Jakob Ingebrigtsen. I know it must sound little bit silly, but I'm not completely sure why this holds true?
question for Coevett wrote:
Serious question for Coevett and the other specialists for the subject:
We all know that beeing world class over 1500m and 5000m is very suspicious for north and east Africans (in contrast to the allowed 800m/1500m combo, which the Brits used to like). But we also know that this can't be true for the white European Jakob Ingebrigtsen. I know it must sound little bit silly, but I'm not completely sure why this holds true?
I've only stated that I found the sudden near universal switch from 800/1500 to 1500/5000 coinciding exactly with the start of the EPO era, and Africans leading the demand for the timetable to be switched, is suspicious.
It's no secret that the Ingebrigtsens are high mileage endurance guys. However, despite what many here say, I think Jakob has great potential at 800. People here forget he broke the age 14 800 world record just 4 years ago. He's run the 800m once in the last two seasons, two years ago when he was 16, and ran 1:48 or 1:49. So at 16 he wasn't much slower than El G at his peak over 800m. Quite sure he could get close to 1:44 or 1:45 now, faster if he trained for it.
Guys like Moorcroft and Ovett could run the 1500/5000, but could also run a fast 800, especially so in Ovett's case, although I think personally he would have been a faster 1500/5000 guy. One reason he might not have gone the 1500/5000 route is because the timetable in those days was geared to the 800/1500 double. Of course it all turned out well because Ovett ended up winning 800 gold in Moscow.
GBohannon wrote:
rare wrote:
Lol, where's the guy who says Tinman Elite always show up when it counts?
Why would this race constitute "when it counts"? Most people would consider national championships, global championships, etc (ie GOAL RACES) to be "when it counts". With that said, I am not necessarily defending the claim that Tinman Elite always shows up, just pointing out that this is not a counterexample and you are silly.
any word on what happened with Gusman’s DNF? Did he just drop out or was he injured?
also, anyone have the splits for Morgan McDonald? Solid run from him considering his sit and kick NCAA season.
To me the winner is Jakob, I wish he would take all peds that east africans are on, well Jakob would smash the world record
tomorrow.
Now we have one guy that just 3 days ago wins 10000 with a pb and today in the last lap is still faster than Jakob that
is like 3'30" in 1500.
This race shows how doping really works.
Bluesky wrote:
This race shows how doping really works.
I disagree. Let us be mad with proven dopers (like Justin Gatlin or Lance Armstrong), not with those where no evidence exist. Havin a big big motor means more left for the final lap, I believe that happened here.
Good race! I am Norwegian and I am amazed about our boy!
Coevett wrote:
question for Coevett wrote:
Serious question for Coevett and the other specialists for the subject:
We all know that beeing world class over 1500m and 5000m is very suspicious for north and east Africans (in contrast to the allowed 800m/1500m combo, which the Brits used to like). But we also know that this can't be true for the white European Jakob Ingebrigtsen. I know it must sound little bit silly, but I'm not completely sure why this holds true?
I've only stated that I found the sudden near universal switch from 800/1500 to 1500/5000 coinciding exactly with the start of the EPO era, and Africans leading the demand for the timetable to be switched, is suspicious.
It's no secret that the Ingebrigtsens are high mileage endurance guys. However, despite what many here say, I think Jakob has great potential at 800. People here forget he broke the age 14 800 world record just 4 years ago. He's run the 800m once in the last two seasons, two years ago when he was 16, and ran 1:48 or 1:49. So at 16 he wasn't much slower than El G at his peak over 800m. Quite sure he could get close to 1:44 or 1:45 now, faster if he trained for it.
Guys like Moorcroft and Ovett could run the 1500/5000, but could also run a fast 800, especially so in Ovett's case, although I think personally he would have been a faster 1500/5000 guy. One reason he might not have gone the 1500/5000 route is because the timetable in those days was geared to the 800/1500 double. Of course it all turned out well because Ovett ended up winning 800 gold in Moscow.
OK, no suspicion at all for J.I. Thanks for clarifying that. I was little bit afraid that this young Norwegian might also use doping, but you have cleared this doubt. J.I. IS WHITE, how could I have forgotten about this.
moonshot wrote:
Last try wrote:
Look at Kipchoge (is he 38 now running 201 as he would be if 22 at 2003 WC? I say no way). Conditions in EA better for fast times at young age vs US / Europe
We have no idea what a world class runner could do in the marathon at 38 if he had been doping himself with EPO for the previous 20 or more years. Perhaps Kipchoge is exactly what you would get.
Besides, maybe Kipchoge is 36/was 20?
1. Suspect the forces of aging are not possible to be offset to such a degree by doping but I’m not an expert (remember also that 2:01 is way beyond what anybody else, doped or not, has run... doubt that’s possible at 38)
2. Possibly yes but think that case would still support argument re some 18-20 yo performances in 12:xx or low 3:30 or 1:41/1:42 range whatever are legit - JI is unique for Westerners and an excellent athlete regardless of age, so stunning in any case, but I do not think he’s the first 18 YO to run 13:02 or 3:30
3. Thx to the poster w the heads up regarding less than symbols. Very odd
Keep getting cut off wrote:
I’ll make it quick keep getting cut off.I think this shows some East Africans are legit
Oh. Now that a white teenager has done it, perhaps it is feasible a black man could have done it legitimately. How gracious of you!
But what didn't you assume that the white teenager was "doped to the gills"? Seems like the most common reaction to fast times on these boards.