Official thread to discuss moderation policies

Hardloper wrote:

ExpertKipWatcher wrote:

Without giving them too many clues, there is apparently software that will dynamically change your apparent IP every few minutes and not just by small increments in the last 3 numbers so you can't just block small ranges.

I know that. But trolls will eventually get sick of having their posting sprees interrupted, or having to go through slow proxies every time they want to post. Also there are shadowbanning techniques to throttle or ban users without them realizing they've been banned. It would be a lot better than nothing.

Again, it takes 10 seconds to change ips and clear cookies on a cell phone.

And trolls on this site are mostly trolling out of anger against the mods. Fix the issue and the troll count drops a lot.

HolterSkolter wrote:

lock instead of delete wrote:

Other message boards I post on will lock a thread to replies instead of outright deleting it unless there is something incredibly inflammatory in the OP. That allows the moderator to leave a post saying "this thread has been locked because ________." The thread then dies, but there is an explanation for it being locked.

I like this, and I think that LR should lock threads instead of deleting them when possible.

I like this idea. But it doesnt address the issue of thousands of individual posts getting deleted just because a mod doesnt agree.

Stop your obsession. Posts don't get deleted because of a lack of agreement. They get deleted because you are vandalizing perfectly good threads. Your posts get deleted for obsessively stalking and harassment. You've been at this for 100s of times over the last few days. You need to get help. From friends, family, a therapist, whatever. Your behaviour is disturbing.

Hardloper wrote:

I know that. But trolls will eventually get sick of having their posting sprees interrupted, or having to go through slow proxies every time they want to post. Also there are shadowbanning techniques to throttle or ban users without them realizing they've been banned. It would be a lot better than nothing.

What would be more effective I suspect is enforcing user registration and this process involve email confirmation with a reasonable time delay.

If this is thought to be changing this forum too much they could start with restricting thread starting to users who have been registered for more than N days and make more use of the "registered posters only" thread property once a thread gets more than N posts.

You can start by restoring past threads that were needlessly deleted. Restore the original Trump thread and restore the original Mike Rossi thread. Do not delete threads, period.

wejo wrote:

b) Hateful conduct: Posts that threaten, or harass other people on the basis of race, ethnicity, national origin, sexual orientation, gender, gender identity, religious affiliation, age, or disability will be removed.

Why is Coevett allowed to post his racist, anti-Kenyan, anti-East-African crap here every day, several times a day? You have been alerted before and allow him to continue with this behavior.

I have two teenage sons who run and read these forums and I find it highly inappropriate that such behavior is allowed on the most comprehensive running website.

It's disgusting. Look at his harassment of a minor, Edward Zakayo, for example. Someone highlighted that but it just goes on and on.

NotMxxxxCertified wrote:

Anything in this thread that mentions an American Record Holder who goes by a 5 letter name starting with M is immediately deleted. That is an example of a problem with the moderating.

Exactly. Tell Malmo to chill, he gets overly sensitive whenever anybody criticizes him.

i keep hearing "vandalized", nothing is being "vandalized".

malmo wrote:

HolterSkolter wrote:

I like this idea. But it doesnt address the issue of thousands of individual posts getting deleted just because a mod doesnt agree.

Stop your obsession. Posts don't get deleted because of a lack of agreement. They get deleted because you are vandalizing perfectly good threads. Your posts get deleted for obsessively stalking and harassment. You've been at this for 100s of times over the last few days. You need to get help. From friends, family, a therapist, whatever. Your behaviour is disturbing.

No, I haven't. Must be a lot more than just me if you think I've posted hundreds of times.

HolterSkolter wrote:

malmo wrote:

Stop your obsession. Posts don't get deleted because of a lack of agreement. They get deleted because you are vandalizing perfectly good threads. Your posts get deleted for obsessively stalking and harassment. You've been at this for 100s of times over the last few days. You need to get help. From friends, family, a therapist, whatever. Your behaviour is disturbing.

No, I haven't. Must be a lot more than just me if you think I've posted hundreds of times.

Malmo is right, can you jackasses stop spamming every thread with something malmo only did for 3 months. Everyone makes mistakes. Can we move along?

what are you talking about? wrote:

HolterSkolter wrote:

No, I haven't. Must be a lot more than just me if you think I've posted hundreds of times.

Malmo is right, can you jackasses stop spamming every thread with something malmo only did for 3 months. Everyone makes mistakes. Can we move along?

No, HolterSkolter is right, Hardloper.

Me and my brother in law have both complained about malmo's deletions and had our posts deleted. That's two more for you.

And why are you talking about his ped use? We are talking about him vandalizing threads where he is invloved, like the jamin one. I have posted there to talk about jamin's approach, in the process disagreeing with something malmo said, and my post got deleted.

So chill and let us voice our concerns about an immoderate moderator.

You've got to be kidding me wrote:

Here is an example of an issue with the moderaring:

Well thought out and non inflammatory posts on this thread are immediately deleted. That's a perfect example.

Just for the record, no posts from this thread have been deleted, so not sure what you're referring to.

LRC note: Wejo restored 2 deleted posts that Steve had no idea were restored

Soprano wrote:

You've got to be kidding me wrote:

Here is an example of an issue with the moderaring:

Well thought out and non inflammatory posts on this thread are immediately deleted. That's a perfect example.

Just for the record, no posts from this thread have been deleted, so not sure what you're referring to.

probably referring to other threads then

Soprano wrote:

You've got to be kidding me wrote:

Here is an example of an issue with the moderaring:

Well thought out and non inflammatory posts on this thread are immediately deleted. That's a perfect example.

Just for the record, no posts from this thread have been deleted, so not sure what you're referring to.

Not true. My post was deleted. I tried to lay out specific concerns in a non-emotional, non-inflammatory way. I was maybe the third or 4th response.

wejo wrote:

c) Private personal information: Posts that expose other people's private information (such as home phone number and address) without their express authorization and permission will be removed. However, you acknowledge that your identity is not a secret whether or not you reveal your name in your posts. Your IP address is tracked. As a result others, including LetsRun.com, may be able to figure out who you are and thus your identity may be revealed to others.

This is my favorite one. "Don't dox others. However, if you hurt our feelings, we'll totally dox you for a sweet zinger and message board points!"

Identify your moderators. Make it part of their handle.

When something is deleted or removed, it should state who did it and the time.

That way there is actual a public record of the deletion and no more of this arguing over "Malmo deleted my post because I disagreed with him" and then Malmo denying it.

bravie wrote:

Soprano wrote:

Just for the record, no posts from this thread have been deleted, so not sure what you're referring to.

probably referring to other threads then

No. My post was deleted in this thread. My guess is because I used a 5 letter nickname that starts with the letter M.

Vermont FTW wrote:

what are you talking about? wrote:

Malmo is right, can you jackasses stop spamming every thread with something malmo only did for 3 months. Everyone makes mistakes. Can we move along?

No, HolterSkolter is right, Hardloper.

Me and my brother in law have both complained about malmo's deletions and had our posts deleted. That's two more for you.

And why are you talking about his ped use? We are talking about him vandalizing threads where he is invloved, like the jamin one. I have posted there to talk about jamin's approach, in the process disagreeing with something malmo said, and my post got deleted.

So chill and let us voice our concerns about an immoderate moderator.

No, it gets sick and tiring of people spamming thread after thread just because they have some kind of beef with Malmo. Get over it, stop acting childish.

I have restored this post. If you are the poster who has posted TONS of posts about malmo please stop doing that in other threads.

I have told the malmo not to remove ANY posts in this thread. (that doesn't mean others can't)

I will try and adjust 1 by 1:

That is NOT what a moderator should be doing. Moderators should not be using their power to suppress views the disagree with. If someone is posting possibly hundreds of posts and hijacking threads to talk about a moderator I don't have a problem with those being deleted. If you have a problem with a particular thread deleted feel free to email me

. We've been doing a "Deleted Thread of the week" on our podcast and will keep evaluating the threads deleted.

Everyone who works at the site can moderate. There are others like malmo who can moderate as well, but you would not know them. Currently only people who work at the site can ban people (ie malmo can not ban someone he can only delete posts).

I wouldn't characterize that as a personal attack but can see why that should be deleted. I

Malmo's confessed to doping before LetsRun.com even started and I think we need more past people who doped to come forward. His confession is here:

I don't think that doping and admitting it should prevent him from moderating. Moderating is a thankless job and why I don't always agree with his moderating decisions he does a good job of removing a lot of the crap on Letsrun. We will try and ensure he does not overstep his bounds.

Once again this should not be happening. I know there was/is? a malmo jamin training thread that people were hijacking so it stuff got removed from that I can see it as collateral damage but we are reiterating with our moderators what their duties are.