The team collectively can be called state champs. You are not a state champ.
If I were you, I wouldn’t bring up the fact that you ran at states to anyone because they would then ask your time and laugh at your answer.
^^^repeat much?
The team collectively can be called state champs. You are not a state champ.
If I were you, I wouldn’t bring up the fact that you ran at states to anyone because they would then ask your time and laugh at your answer.
^^^repeat much?
Yes. Get a t-shirt and a hat specially made up to advertise your status as state champ.
Were them all the time. Change your handle on all sites/platforms to state champ.
Very seriously I ask you, why do nearly all your sentences begin with "so"?
No, you're the State Chump of the State Champs.
Look a few posts above, I concluded this was the case.
Harsh, but fair.
I wasn't supposed to qualify, the guy ahead of me in regionals that dropped out, allowing me to run was mid 10s if I remember right.
Just watch your pronouns. If someone asks about your track experience, don't say "I was a state champ." Say "we won state."
runn wrote:
Andy Fan wrote:
Okay, Andy. I found you in the state results. Yes there were only 8 finishers. This is ridiculous.
Wow- 11:06 isn't fast enough to get into the State Qualifier Meet (there are 14 in NY State) in my Section.
For clarification:
11 Sections in the NYSPHSAA
1 CHSAA- Catholic Schools Association
1 PSAL- NY City Public Schools
1 AAIS - Private boarding schools
In Pennsylvania's District 1 AAA, it took a 9:43.00 to qualify for the district meet to make it to states. There are 12 districts in PIAA, btw.
Agreed. wrote:
runn wrote:
Wow- 11:06 isn't fast enough to get into the State Qualifier Meet (there are 14 in NY State) in my Section.
For clarification:
11 Sections in the NYSPHSAA
1 CHSAA- Catholic Schools Association
1 PSAL- NY City Public Schools
1 AAIS - Private boarding schools
In Pennsylvania's District 1 AAA, it took a 9:43.00 to qualify for the district meet to make it to states. There are 12 districts in PIAA, btw.
If you really want to blow your mind look up qualifying for CA southern section.
People here seem to be suggesting that there's no distinction between someone who competed in (and scored in, FWIW) the state meet saying he's a champ and someone who didn't even qualify. If some guy who lettered but didn't make the meet said he was a champion, I'd say that's utterly BS. But if you make the state meet and your team wins, you win. Maybe it's just because of the procedure in my state, but the way it worked for us was that everyone who made the meet got a team medal if the team podiumed.
So I think technically speaking, he's a state champion, and it's not wrong to say so. That said, it's still best to avoid confusion. The better thing to say is "WE won state" or "WE were state champions." After all, even team sport players rarely say, "I am a state champion." It makes you sound kind of like a psychopath.
soccerxc wrote:
So, some context, I'm from the west side of TN, and we're super heavy on throws and sprints, but I'm pretty sure we're one of the worst distance regions in the country.
Your region does suck. However, Houston, St. Agnes, and White Station have had some outstanding XC and distance runners.
We are terrible, however my school has around 250 people, and I think the max for our division is 499, and when you live in a majority black city, (my school is about 50/50) distance falls even farther behind.
I think the reason they cap it at 8 for our division is the lack of quality in most events beyond 1st and 2nd. For example, I got a 4:59 and finished 4th in the 1600m at regionals, and beyond that, it was over 5s for the rest of the pack. People running over 5s probably shouldn't be going to state. I know the larger divisions accept more but not everyone scores, but if we did that, we'd have some really bad state times. When my school has 250 people and at most 500 for other schools, it doesn't make much sense to accept a larger field. But I do get the points system is flawed, and they probably should fix it. But we all know what TSSAA is like. It's nice to see a fellow West TN runner on here!
STATE CHAMPION, I AM A STATE CHAMPION, I AM A STATE CHAMPION...H wrote:
FACT: Win the race that you are running and you're a State Champion in the STATE MEET. If you don't win, you're simply a member of a STATE Champion TEAM IF YOUR TEAM WINS!!!!! Wow, this is so difficult to figure out (insert MAJOR sarcasm). Why would anyone go around telling anyone that they were a State Champion, even if they were? Some insecure turds out there.
This is correct. If it ever comes up, you are justified to say "I was a part of a state championship team".
Don’t sweat it, the Olympic 1500 was won in 3:50
soccerxc wrote:
Thanks for the clarification, everyone. Just so everyone's clear, I'm not the type of person to walk up and say, "My name's Andy and I'm a state champ." I meant more for personal or like resume type stuff. I totally understand I wasn't supposed to be there and I probably wouldn't even be varsity at bigger schools. But to answer questions, yes, our division does 1 heat of 8 for every event, and no, I'm not a troll. General consensus is in track, you're a part of the state champion team, but unless you win your event, you're not a state champion. Thanks, everyone.
Never put running accolades on a resume.
If they asks what your interests are you can say, outdoors, running, hiking, etc. But don’t put you were on a state championship track team. It doesn’t come across well. You’re not Payton Manning.
soccerxc wrote:
I think the reason they cap it at 8 for our division is the lack of quality in most events beyond 1st and 2nd. For example, I got a 4:59 and finished 4th in the 1600m at regionals, and beyond that, it was over 5s for the rest of the pack. People running over 5s probably shouldn't be going to state. I know the larger divisions accept more but not everyone scores, but if we did that, we'd have some really bad state times. When my school has 250 people and at most 500 for other schools, it doesn't make much sense to accept a larger field. But I do get the points system is flawed, and they probably should fix it. But we all know what TSSAA is like. It's nice to see a fellow West TN runner on here!
soccerxc wrote:
I think the reason they cap it at 8 for our division is the lack of quality in most events beyond 1st and 2nd. For example, I got a 4:59 and finished 4th in the 1600m at regionals, and beyond that, it was over 5s for the rest of the pack. People running over 5s probably shouldn't be going to state. I know the larger divisions accept more but not everyone scores, but if we did that, we'd have some really bad state times. When my school has 250 people and at most 500 for other schools, it doesn't make much sense to accept a larger field. But I do get the points system is flawed, and they probably should fix it. But we all know what TSSAA is like. It's nice to see a fellow West TN runner on here!
I understand that lack of depth is an issue, but I still believe that is not a sufficient reason for not having a 16 person field. Fairness (atleast in number of people # running) should be maintained across all divisions. It has not always been the case in TN private school divisions that there is a lack of depth in races. MUS had 2 national class-sub 1:50- runners in the 800 in 2015 and 2 other guys who could have gone under 1:56. They ran a nation leading 4x8 time of 7:45 as a leg stretcher. A 1:52 guy could potentially have ran and not qualified in the regional due to the 2 person rule. That could hardly be considered fair. I think a 3 person auto qualifier per region plus the 4 fastest times may be the best system to ensure faster runners who deserve to be at the state meet are there and promote uniformity across all divisions. In fact, I actually think that system( 3 auto+ 4 fastest) should be implemented across all divisions. Either way, I feel that there should be the same number of people in all races.
I am curious as to why the smaller schools have such little depth. Mid 4:30s and 16:30, while decently respectable, are times that should be very achievable for the best runners on a team with over 10 people. There are one or two guys who could run those times in your division but after those guys the depth falls off massively and the best runners on small school teams are 4:50+, 18:00 guys. Having been accustomed to the large school environment where we had tons of guys in the low 16s and 3-4 of us in the 15s, I wonder what the difference is. Is it the kids being lazy, the coaching, or something else that’s contributing to this issue?
soccerxc wrote:
So, some context...
This post would have been way better if you didn't provide the context. Just a thread titled "Am I Really a State Champ?" and then let everyone discuss.
When I was in high school eons ago most teams in the state did not have indoor teams. At our state meet all entries had to turned in before the meet. In addition one could only double in running events if they were sprints shorter than 220 yards. In the mile relay only two teams were entered, ours and another. However, medals were awarded in each event to the top 3 athletes or relay teams. We were determined not to finish 2nd. We did finish second, largely because of my poor performance. In our local newspaper only the results of the winning team or relay team and local medal winners. We were congratulated by many of our school mates for our silver medal performance at the state meet. None realized that there were only two teams in the race and none of us clarified that. Many decades later an acquaintance who liked old track medals commented that the state medal was much more attractive when we went to school. I gave him my old medal and told him he could keep as I had a gold one at home which I won two years later after the debacle. However, in that race there was a full field and we ran well.