Semenya wins in court, is able to race all distances without lowering her testosterone

The problem is, people here are always confused what a woman is. They will bore you to tears about XY. They can't get to grips that women don't want to be defined like this. Most (but of course not all) women support this notion. The don't want to be categorized by men as to how to define them.

It's nearly always the men complaining about this, very strange. It's almost like they want to dictate what a man or woman is. Get a life.

Where is the real women’s rights movement? wrote:

Good bye female athletics.

Good bye to what advances females have worked hard for in sport.

PC culture is the demise of it all.

I actually blame female athletes for not taking charge of their own destiny, not making a stand for their rights. Why do they race against these guys? Where are all the women’s rights movements on this? They seem to jump on men with reckless abandon, can’t they understand what having a Y chromosome competing in sports means to female sport?

Too bad ladies.

The court decision has nothing to do with PC culture and neither did the decision made by the IAAF.

Goodbye to Semenya running the 3000 at Pre.

Armstronglivs wrote:

It is ironic; women have fought hard to extend their rights, only to risk losing some of them them by acceding to an ideology that allows males into their sports.

Good point. For so long men have been the target of women’s ire (and in most cases, rightfully so) in regards to how they’ve been held back in many arenas. Now they’re being taken advantage of by the transgender community. But will women stand up against a more oppressed community?

Who’s rights are more important? Women or transgender women?

Good. Who cares about women’s athletics.

In the last hour the IAAF ruling on Semenya has been suspended by a Swiss court, meaning she won't have to take testosterone reducing medication.....

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/athletics/48504205

Yay! Justice prevails

don't be a moran wrote:

Been saying it for years wrote:

Also while both the CAS and IAAF are located in Switzerland, I'm not so sure this court should have jurisdiction over this matter. Theoretically no court should have jurisdiction over the CAS because it's effectively the world court for sport.

Governments are not going to be bound by an international tribunal that is not appealable to a court. Having appeallate review by the Swiss courts was one of the conditions of setting up the CAS. It is the reason national courts are willing to defer to CAS. Otherwise you would have national courts constantly weighing in and deciding issues within their borders, as for example a US court did in the Butch Reynolds case (which was later overturned).

So the Swiss Federal Court is able to hear appeals from CAS. It is interesting though to see that very few appeals are successful and the Federal Court has overturned only one CAS decision on the merits of the case. The odds are against Semenya succeeding.

TheProblemIs wrote:

The problem is, people here are always confused what a woman is. They will bore you to tears about XY. They can't get to grips that women don't want to be defined like this. Most (but of course not all) women support this notion. The don't want to be categorized by men as to how to define them.

It's nearly always the men complaining about this, very strange. It's almost like they want to dictate what a man or woman is. Get a life.

Most women aren't defined that way. They are XX.

Kind of stupid that the decision made here can be appealed. I’m all for women competing in sports and having a fair chance for a medal. But honestly, what’s the point in the IAAF making a decision if there’s a good chance it will get overturned?

aasdfa wrote:

Yay! Justice prevails

Testosterone prevails. Fixed.

so why is a xy chromosome allowed to compete in womans sport again?

used to be DIII wrote:

Careful with the facts. Semenya didn't win anything that overturns the CAS decision yet. CNN at least is saying that the supreme court of Switzerland has requested/ordered (I'm not sure how jurisdiction works here) that the ban be lifted while Semenya's appeal is heard in that court. That would imply that she still has to convince someone to overturn the decision of CAS - something I would think is still a high hurdle to clear.

Thank you. People clearly don't read nowadays.

And the women's 800 once again becomes the "women's" 800

Just in time to inspire the two XY females in Connecticut State Track Championships.... When will women get their sports back??

In a ballsy decision, the Swiss court rules that it is okay to compete in the women's division if you have testes. I knew deep down I was a world class athlete all these years, my only problem was I was competing in the wrong division.

^^^You don't have balls enough to identify as female

In track and field why not call the men’s division the open division.

Then have a restricted division based on people who are XY with a limited testosterone level. Call it the restricted division.

The division would be like a weight class in boxing or wrestling. No moralizing of who is a woman or not. It would be who is eligible for that division based on the criteria of the restricted division.

I see people on social media who are so stuck on the label men or women that they lose the purpose of having a restricted division.

Ah hell. I meant xx

Simple wrote:

In track and field why not call the men’s division the open division.

Then have a restricted division based on people who are XY with a limited testosterone level. Call it the restricted division.

The division would be like a weight class in boxing or wrestling. No moralizing of who is a woman or not. It would be who is eligible for that division based on the criteria of the restricted division.

I see people on social media who are so stuck on the label men or women that they lose the purpose of having a restricted division.

Agreed.

As for court jurisdiction I am guessing IAAF had a big bank account in Switzerland that the court can levy