WI 1600m female state meet runner refuses DQ, has to get pulled off track

atrackandfieldfan wrote:

Does anyone else feel that she was manhandled?

Backback dude should have kept his hands off her. He would not have exited that meet without a confrontation from me if I were a parent or even coach although it's possible it could have been her coach. Nothing entitles him to grab the athlete.

To the "what's he supposed to do" crowd. Anything but what he did. Let her run and DQ her after the race if need be.

Its a false start wrote:

Bummerr wrote:

Looks like she lost her balance right before the start.

Obviously the official should have had them stand up, back away from the line, then bring them back to the line. You can’t start until everyone is standing still.

It was too soon to call them up and she stepped over. Clear false start and the right call.

Tough but it happens in sprints, no special treatment because you run 4 laps.

Not a fan of the sport I see.

I can but you can wrote:

atrackandfieldfan wrote:

Does anyone else feel that she was manhandled?

Absolutely! Regardless of her bad behavior, you don't put your hands on anyone, especially a man repeatedly grabbing a teenager like that. Just hold the race until you get the situation under control. If that was my daughter, I would have beat that dude's ass.

... and then knocked some sense into my daughter! :)

Stop trying to make something out of nothing you shills. She was clearly out of control and needed to be restrained so they could keep the meet running. She should be absolutely embarrassed about the way she acted.

KraftMacandCheese wrote:

I can but you can wrote:

Absolutely! Regardless of her bad behavior, you don't put your hands on anyone, especially a man repeatedly grabbing a teenager like that. Just hold the race until you get the situation under control. If that was my daughter, I would have beat that dude's ass.

... and then knocked some sense into my daughter! :)

Stop trying to make something out of nothing you shills. She was clearly out of control and needed to be restrained so they could keep the meet running. She should be absolutely embarrassed about the way she acted.

TTH wrote:

atrackandfieldfan wrote:

Does anyone else feel that she was manhandled?

Backback dude should have kept his hands off her. He would not have exited that meet without a confrontation from me if I were a parent or even coach although it's possible it could have been her coach. Nothing entitles him to grab the athlete.

To the "what's he supposed to do" crowd. Anything but what he did. Let her run and DQ her after the race if need be.

They wouldn’t have let her run you dolt. They shot the gun again after she tried storming the track and running after the DQ.

reiutowirewi wrote:

apparently, she's running at Wisco next year. if i were the coach, she wouldn't be running for me next year!

Why? Do you think she's going to false start in every race?

atrackandfieldfan wrote:

Does anyone else feel that she was manhandled?

Yes, definitely.

That guy could be brought up on charges, and a there could be a lawsuit in the making.

KraftMacandCheese wrote:

I can but you can wrote:

Absolutely! Regardless of her bad behavior, you don't put your hands on anyone, especially a man repeatedly grabbing a teenager like that. Just hold the race until you get the situation under control. If that was my daughter, I would have beat that dude's ass.

... and then knocked some sense into my daughter! :)

Stop trying to make something out of nothing you shills. She was clearly out of control and needed to be restrained so they could keep the meet running. She should be absolutely embarrassed about the way she acted.

I'll type something this time!

She was not out of control until backpackman tried to touch her. Private citizens don't have any right to "restrain" anyone, that's a crime! Men need to get it through their heads that under no circumstances do they have the right to touch other people, regardless of what that other person is doing.

Moron!

TTH wrote:

Its a false start wrote:

It was too soon to call them up and she stepped over. Clear false start and the right call.

Tough but it happens in sprints, no special treatment because you run 4 laps.

Not a fan of the sport I see.

Yes I am. And for following the rules which need to be followed by everyone. The girl false started... she gets a second chance but the 100 does not? What’s next.., a kid is upset about a miss or foul and gets to do it again?

A true fan of the sport understands this. Seems like you might be her parent which explains why she acts this way.

Her unsportsmanlike conduct also warranted a DQ from the whole meet.

I do think the coach shouldn’t have grabbed her but it’s no different than any othe coach trying to restrain an out of control player on the football field or basketball court. Perhaps they should have suspended the meet while she threw her fit in front of everyone? Maybe call the police? How far are you going to take this?

Dijon Gebremustard wrote:

in high school meets, as long as the DQ isn't for poor sportsmanship or something like that, they should just always let the runner finish the race on appeal, even if presumptively DQed, and then they can work out the details within an hour of the race ending. just like runners would be allowed to finish the race even if a blatant foul happened in the last 100m or if a runner stepped inside the track, no reason that also shouldn't apply to fouls at the beginning of the race.

Yes, I agree completely. There was no good reason to DQ the runner.

That first woman that went after her was in flip flops.

WIStateGif wrote:

here you go

she is starting position#10

here it is slowed down to .2

Aha, that was the starter's fault. Her foot was already over the line.

She wasn't behind the line, so that couldn't have been a false start.

dunes runner wrote:

Dijon Gebremustard wrote:

in high school meets, as long as the DQ isn't for poor sportsmanship or something like that, they should just always let the runner finish the race on appeal, even if presumptively DQed, and then they can work out the details within an hour of the race ending. just like runners would be allowed to finish the race even if a blatant foul happened in the last 100m or if a runner stepped inside the track, no reason that also shouldn't apply to fouls at the beginning of the race.

Yes, I agree completely. There was no good reason to DQ the runner.

So we should just let all false starts go? Or just the spoiled kids who refuse to leave the track.

If it was a black sprinter they would have the cops take him off at gun point.

RobertCalifornia wrote:

They wouldn’t have let her run you dolt. They shot the gun again after she tried storming the track and running after the DQ.

They could have "let her" do anything they wished particularly if it avoided grabbing the girl. You're the dolt....dolt.

The race should have been recalled and restarted with no dq in the first place.

Whatever happened after the DQ including backpack guy grabbing her aside, the race should have been recalled in the first place once the girl went off balance as she was not set.

Of course you can fill in your next post with your next series of emotional what-ifs to make your opinion even more worthless.

Toe on the line = DQ

Moving & stepping over the line before the gun = DQ

Refusing to leave = selfish & poor sportsmanship.

Yet this is the official’s fault? Where in the rule book is this not a DQ?

WIStateGif wrote:

here you go

she is starting position#10

here it is slowed down to .2

https://gyazo.com/e6364da913b547d0b57be88f7fd53eae

Here it is normal speed

https://gyazo.com/e88440126fe051e86afb3d43279bea67

sorry I do not know how to format on the site so you will have to click the links,

To the poster above... she wasn’t off balance. She came to the line and was still. She started to take a step early (false start) and got caught.

Poor behavior followed but doesn’t take away that by rule this is a false start.

(d) in races starting from a standing position, one or more competitors moves or steps

over the start line prior to the sound of the starting device, such movement can be considered accidental and not a full commencement of a start because runners in a

standing position are more prone to overbalance. Such a situation should be regarded as an unsteady start, and the competitors given a “stand up” command by the Starter, or a recall if the starting device sounded. If an competitor is pushed or jostled over

the line before the start, that competitor should not be penalized, and any competitor causing such interference may be subject to a disciplinary warning or disqualification. See Rule 162.17(c) and Rule 162.17 (d).

These are USATF rules so Wisconsin could have their own (but I’m assuming everyone follows the same starting procedures).

The way I interpret that, she wrongly DQ’d. But I’m not an official in Wisconsin so maybe they are instructed that should be a DQ.

Anyways, 2 takeaways:

1. She probably doesn’t feel like the rules don’t apply to her. She’s upset because she felt she was wronged. In a sport where this is so rare (unlike basketball where bad calls inevitably happen every game) you could see how one could be shocked and devastated. When you feel like this, you don’t exactly make well-thought out, logical decisions. So stop with this generational stuff about entitlement or her thinking rules don’t apply to her.

2. She’s still responsible for her actions and looks silly throwing a hissy fit. Now she’ll have to deal with people making fun of her and saying how terrible she is. Hopefully she understands that’s just how it is.

No, a true fan of the sport wants to see people compete. False starts are so rare in distance races there is no need for a one and out rule.

Let's say Coe or Ovett false started at the 1980 OG 1500. As a true fan of the sport, you would want the rule enforced and we would have to wait another four years to see them race? What if Sprout or Young had false started at Arcadia? One the all-time 3200 duels in HS history wouldn't have happened.