let’s be honest wrote:
Seems pertinent to me. Talking about someone’s credentials and how those credentials might be different under today’s rules.
If she was 3rd to two dopers that were busted at an event a year later that would also be worth reporting.
But those weren't the rules in 2016. So the doping analogy doesn't work.
bkrunner wrote:
This says more about the brojos than it does about Bishop, Semenya, or IAAF. None of the actual journalists who wrote the articles about Bishop felt the need to add that little tidbit. The brojos are like middle schoolers who find out that their classmate was born out of wedlock, so they start calling him "illegitimate Charlie." Sure, it's true, but they're only doing it because they're self-righteous and want to p!ss people off.
Brojos -- You can make your views known without being jerks. That's what real journalists do.
The "journalists" you mention are PC hacks, just like yourself, another warbling SJW, not even smart enough to step back and ask himself just who taught him to think the way he does. Or you another troll from HH.
I’m just glad she’s not piling on Nike for her pregnancy
SpotsTheHasbroTrolls wrote:
bkrunner wrote:
This says more about the brojos than it does about Bishop, Semenya, or IAAF. None of the actual journalists who wrote the articles about Bishop felt the need to add that little tidbit. The brojos are like middle schoolers who find out that their classmate was born out of wedlock, so they start calling him "illegitimate Charlie." Sure, it's true, but they're only doing it because they're self-righteous and want to p!ss people off.
Brojos -- You can make your views known without being jerks. That's what real journalists do.
The "journalists" you mention are PC hacks, just like yourself, another warbling SJW, not even smart enough to step back and ask himself just who taught him to think the way he does. Or you another troll from HH.
I don't think I'm an SJW, considering I agree with the brojos that people with XY chromosomes and abnormally high levels of testosterone shouldn't be racing in women's races. Re: my intelligence, I think I'm doing okay. As far as who taught me to think the way I did, I'd say it's probably my grandparents (midwestern corn and livestock farmers who believed in hard work and equal opportunity) who raised me and the public school system in my dirt poor town of 450 people. I don't know what HH is.
the_donald is calling. They miss you over there.
bkrunner wrote:
Remind me how this relates to a 2016 race where Bishop was beaten by someone with XY chromosomes.
Because she wasn't "beaten" in that race by an XX woman.
Only the Y chromosome mean finished ahead of her, and they never should have been in the race.
Melissa Bishop was the first real woman across the finish line and she deserves to have the Gold Medal.
bkrunner wrote:
This says more about the brojos than it does about Bishop, Semenya, or IAAF. None of the actual journalists who wrote the articles about Bishop felt the need to add that little tidbit. The brojos are like middle schoolers who find out that their classmate was born out of wedlock, so they start calling him "illegitimate Charlie." Sure, it's true, but they're only doing it because they're self-righteous and want to p!ss people off.
Brojos -- You can make your views known without being jerks. That's what real journalists do.
It's the Brothers Johnson....no not the great bassist and guitarist....just the silver spoon Ivy Leaguers who have no idea what to do with the sheepskin their parents bribed the schools to acquire.
Jonathan Gault recently told me, in a thread in which I critiqued their coverage of (what they termed) the Boston ‘open’ Champion, that one of LetsRun’s biggest criteria in deciding whether to cover something is “is it newsworthy?” It’s 2019. Clearly, that someone was “the top XX runner in the world in 2016” is no longer newsworthy. So, while the articles he quote of the day comes from is newsworthy, that comment must be editorial, and, as such, should be considered in the same way as all LetsRun editorial—with a healthy grain of salt, and an understanding that while this site’s staff understand many things about this sport, their very similar backgrounds have left them with gaping holes in their understanding of the larger world.
To the idiot OP wrote:
bkrunner wrote:
Remind me how this relates to a 2016 race where Bishop was beaten by someone with XY chromosomes.
Because she wasn't "beaten" in that race by an XX woman.
Only the Y chromosome mean finished ahead of her, and they never should have been in the race.
Melissa Bishop was the first real woman across the finish line and she deserves to have the Gold Medal.
How convenient that you deleted the first half of my post. I was NOT saying that Semenya's XY chromosomes weren't relevant to that 2016 race. I WAS saying that Semenya's XY chromosomes weren't relevant to the quote of the day, which was about how Melissa Bishop's recent pregnancy has changed how she approaches her running.
Of course it's relevant. Bishop can now come back knowing she can claim what is rightfully hers.
Go away wrote:
Wrong, it says more about you and your crazy peeps that have gone mad.
This. Says more about the angry and hateful OP
It’s relevant. Since Bishop missed last year, it is pertinent to remind readers of her stature in her event.
It’s fair to assume that some people would ask “Who is Melissa Bishop?” Would you have a problem with them saying “4th in the 2016 Olympic 800?”
Simple logic follows that you need to include these details since the rules of the sport are changing and thus her 4th can be looked at in a different light.
brojos have never been good about their language/wording on this topic. it's fine to have an opinion. it's another to run a website with an audience and give trolls plenty of fuel for the terrible things they go on to say about CS. brojos are complicit. they don't take responsibility either. go get some training on how to actually talk about and write about complex issues instead of thinking you're doing the work of the lord & can do no wrong.
What's childish about it?
It's a reasonable statement that has relevance today bearing in mind the discussion over intersex athlete competing in women's events.
How can you say Melissa Bishop deserves the Gold medal when Ajee Wilson wa ,knocked out the semi-finals by two of transgender athletes who only narrowly outleaned Ajee. Ajee has dominated every female 800m runnee except 2 of the 3 transgender athletes.
Steroide users should not be in the xx category either. Marita koch and aje Wilson can make their own category
bkrunner wrote:
This says more about the brojos than it does about Bishop, Semenya, or IAAF. None of the actual journalists who wrote the articles about Bishop felt the need to add that little tidbit. The brojos are like middle schoolers who find out that their classmate was born out of wedlock, so they start calling him "illegitimate Charlie." Sure, it's true, but they're only doing it because they're self-righteous and want to p!ss people off.
Brojos -- You can make your views known without being jerks. That's what real journalists do.
Would you prefer they said she was the first "real women"? Brojos are trying to be politically correct while also reminding us that she was the top of the current landscape when she left. Tottally fair and relevant to the discussion.
I would also say it's fair to mention, but they didn't, that as a XX Mellisa actual had to endure pregnancy to have child and missed out on a year of training to do so, Caster and the other XYs don't have to worry about that and potentially could have there wives do the pregnancy thing for them, with a little fertility help. Totally unfair.
VIPAM wrote:
vegeta wrote:
They may have a point in reference to the Olympic final in 2016. But Ajee Wilson is a far superior 800m runner than bishop. If they race 10 times bishop may beat her twice. Ajee Wilson is the best female 800 runner in the world.
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Exactly my point. I have nothing against Bishop but she would have finished 5th if Ajee Wilson was knocked out the semi-finals by less than .05 secs of the 2 transgender athletes Francine and Mary. She ran both of them to the line an lost by less than 2 inches.
Ajee Wilson would have beaten Melissa Bishop in the 2016 Olympics. FACT!
oh please - if Ajee would have beat Bishop she would have qualified out of her heat on time.
TTH wrote:
bkrunner wrote:
This says more about the brojos than it does about Bishop, Semenya, or IAAF. None of the actual journalists who wrote the articles about Bishop felt the need to add that little tidbit. The brojos are like middle schoolers who find out that their classmate was born out of wedlock, so they start calling him "illegitimate Charlie." Sure, it's true, but they're only doing it because they're self-righteous and want to p!ss people off.
Brojos -- You can make your views known without being jerks. That's what real journalists do.
It's the Brothers Johnson....no not the great bassist and guitarist....just the silver spoon Ivy Leaguers who have no idea what to do with the sheepskin their parents bribed the schools to acquire.
Just call them the Blowjos.
Headline made me a bit uncomfortable when I saw it but that probably would be the point of whoever put it up (I’m assuming Rojo but don’t know). I really feel for Semenya and other impacted by the rules but feel there is a legitimate reason for them and that is all the other athletes impacted by the rules not being in place.
And this issue for whatever reason seems to most impact the 800. Still haven’t seen a good reason for that. If it wasn’t for the transgender issue going on simultaneously maybe Semenya and others could keep competing in female division as is and it would only affect one event. Bishop and others would suffer but some might say it’s worth it.
Amen! These dirt bags are closer to middle age but do behave like middle schoolers. They set the tone for a lot of the negativity on their site and are lazy beyond belief. Congrats on not getting your post taken down.