Fact finding wrote:
LateRunnerPhil wrote:
Drew Hunter.
1600m/mile 4:41 to 3:57
800m 2:04 to 1:48
Grant Fisher has already been running many years when he was a Freshman, and started at 4:26. Hunter outpaced him, probably a combination of even higher talent and better coach (Tinman).
OP: 4:45 and 16:50 are still pedestrian times for a guy, especially when he is senior. I was much slower than your friend when I started, and now am at his level and still consider myself very slow.
Not true.
Fisher played soccer. He ran very few races until his junior year in HS.
As an 8th grader, he ran:
4:48 mile
10:22 3200m
https://www.athletic.net/result/zviRNroHn4Ho0kEBum/https://www.athletic.net/result/5OiWKJoSNOSBXjQWtl/A varsity meet. He always did soccer AND track. The soccer caused his coach to adjust his training a bit (not much speedwork, lower mileage) as a typical soccer game or session already involves a lot of running, most even at high intensity.
But Grant Fisher didn't pop this 4:26 freshman mile out of nowhere, all the soccer and some track training before HS already brought him there.
LateRunnerPhil wrote:
Rebel w/o clue wrote:
Perhaps in the dog days of August an out of shape Solinsky ran 19 minutes as a freshman (unverified) but make no mistake he was 25th at the state meet in 16:40 on a wet and soggy October day
He ran 19:30 in middle school, and also ran 10:57 in the 3200m. Both very slow debut times. Chris Solinsky wasn't exactly lighting the running world on fire when he first started, he was a slow, chubby guy.
But he improved tremendously once he started training. At freshman year, he already progressed to 4:31, 10 flat 3200 and 16:40 on a hard 5k cross country course.
I will say it one more time: Chris Solinsky ran 9:30.92 as a freshman on the weekend of June 2nd-June 3rd, 2000. He was an age compliant freshman that took sixth in D1.
I knew a guy who started at 31 minutes for 3 miles and finished at 17 for the 3 miles and 4:59 for the 1600. That’s not bad at all for high school improvement.
Look up Chris Derrick’s HS times
I mean I went from not being able to complete a 6 mile run when I started to running 15:09 my senior year.
I just wanted to say thank you to the two folk who posted links about Jim Ryun's cross country; I found them very interesting reading. thank you.
cheers.
My progression was pretty significant in a year (although I’m not exactly fast)
7:27 mile to 5:58
26:42 5k to 21:48
Ryun started running in his Sophomore year in Cross Country and broke 4: 00 in the mile in his Junior year during track season. Has anyone else in the world broken 4 in less than 2 years of running?
Hog wrote:
Ryun started running in his Sophomore year in Cross Country and broke 4: 00 in the mile in his Junior year during track season. Has anyone else in the world broken 4 in less than 2 years of running?
Obviously this was due in large part from the coaching phenom called Tinman (Of course, Tinman was only 2 years old, but already coaching and advising JD) and CV interval training, plus not pushing the 400 interval thing too hard.
Ryan Trahan obviously:
Trained his a$$ off freshman year and could only manage a 5:38 1600m
Senior year went on to run a 4:16 for the full mile, and 9:28 for the full two mile (tactical race)
LateRunnerPhil wrote:
Fact finding wrote:
Not true.
Fisher played soccer. He ran very few races until his junior year in HS.
As an 8th grader, he ran:
4:48 mile
10:22 3200m
https://www.athletic.net/result/zviRNroHn4Ho0kEBum/https://www.athletic.net/result/5OiWKJoSNOSBXjQWtl/A varsity meet. He always did soccer AND track. The soccer caused his coach to adjust his training a bit (not much speedwork, lower mileage) as a typical soccer game or session already involves a lot of running, most even at high intensity.
But Grant Fisher didn't pop this 4:26 freshman mile out of nowhere, all the soccer and some track training before HS already brought him there.
Fisher ran in middle school but it was very little and he would just jump into a race and showed then his amazing talent off of natural ability. He played soccer and gained fitness and speed from that. I happen to know he also played school basketball, skied, and is a blackbelt in karate and did all of that during middle school and into High School. So unlike many runners, Fisher really didn’t concentrate on running until his junior year in High School. Probably a good thing Fisher played so many other sports and was an all around athlete well before concentrating on running.
This girl is on a pretty crazy trajectory so far:
https://co.milesplit.com/athletes/7751285-elliot-pribramsky
Also, Mark Nenow & Brie Oakley come to mind.
At the start of my freshman year XC season, I was a 6:36 1600. By the end of the season I was 5:30ish territory.
I'm a junior and I ran 4:35 yesterday.
runner dude larry wrote: At the start of my freshman year XC season, I was a 6:36 1600. By the end of the season I was 5:30ish territory. I'm a junior and I ran 4:35 yesterday.
congratulations Larry
cheers.
I cannot think of any crazy progression from freshmen to senior year, but in my own experience I made huge jumps from freshmen to sophomore year of high school. I went from a 5:28 mile to a 4:52 and from a 11:34 2 mile to a 10:23. I ended high school with a 4:42 mile and a 10:09 2 mile so I didn't improve nearly as much after, but it was pretty cool dropping all that time in a year. I only did around 30 miles a week so I think I could have improved a lot more if I actually ran decent mileage.
When in HS, we had a guy finish 2nd to last in the league JV XC race his freshman year and ran roughly 27:00 for 5k (after running the whole season)
By his senior year he was a 9:20 guy who was top-5 in state XC meet.
By his senior year of college he was a sub-29 guy who was top-25 at NCAA XC
AJ Chopra from Todd Beamer HS
Marty Andrie, Smoky Hill High School in Colorado (Vaughn, Kaltenbach’s, Deak, Sammons, Schulz, etc).
Marty ran 27 minutes his first xc meet freshman year of high school. Literally ran faster EVERY xc meet from then on except maybe one or two, regardless of the difficulty of the course. Ended up around 16 flat senior year, and 17th at state xc meet. Ran 4:25 for 1600 senior year track.
Walked on at Colorado School of Mines and became a multiple time All-American in xc, indoor, and outdoor track with school records to boot. I believe he got down to 13:43 and 28 low in college!! Now giving it a go the last few years as a professional triathlete.
Scott Fry
10:45 3200 as a freshman
8:48 as a senior