Hope for Americans? Belgium's Koen Naert, who didn't break 2:10 in his 1st 6 marathons, just ran 2:07 in Rotterdam

At least the AMERICAN WOMEN ran well 3rd and 5th. I thought Alphine was going to run sub 2:25 but who is Roberta Groner in 2:29?

How is this possible? wrote:

Naert 2:07:39.

7th in loaded Rotterdam marathon.

The only one in the top 10 that was born in and also trains in the northern latitudes.

Also in the TOP 10 was Daniel Mateo a Spaniard who ran 2:10:53 at his first attempt at the marathon.

He is coached by the coach of spanish greats Abel Anton and Fermin Cacho.

[quote]rojo wrote:

Top 10 Men's Results

1 1 Marius Kipserem 02:04:11

2 6 Kaan Özbilen 2:05:26

3 4 Emanuel Saina 2:05:42

4 12 Abdi Nageeye 2:06:18

5 8 Vincent Rono 2:07:09

6 10 Josphat Boit 2:07:20

7 14 Koen Naert 2:07:39

8 5 Woldaregay Kelkile 2:09:03

9. 22 Daniel Mateo 2:10:53

10 17 Julius Tarus 2:10:56

and Top 10 Women's results

1. Ashete Bekere 2:22:55

2. Stella Barsosio 2:23:34

3. Aliphine Tuliamuk USA 2:26:48

4. Bethlehem Moges 2:27:51

5. Roberta Groner2:29:06

6. Giovanna Epis 2:29:10

7. Natsuki Omori 2:29:55

8. Marta Galimany 2:30:14

9. Melanie Melanie 2:33:17

10. Gloria Privileggio 2:35:28

Noert, 29, the 2018 European marathon champ, came into the race with a 2;09:51 pb. His other PBs are very doable by American standards- 3:42, 7:58, 13:32, 28:32 and 61:42 - and he didn't break 2:10 in his first 6 marathons.

Noert's career marathon finishes before today.

2015

2:13:39 13 Haspa Hamburg 26 Apr

2:10:31 7 BMW Berlin 27 Sep

2016

2:14:53 22 OG Rio de Janeiro 21 Aug

2:12:27 8 Frankfurt 30 Oct

2017

2:10:16 10 NN Rotterdam 9 Apr

2:13:21 8 TCS New York NY 5 Nov

2018

2:09:51 1 EC Berlin 12 Aug

This thread initially was entitled, "Koen Naert 2:07. Should we make him join WCAP, so he can run for the USA? " but we changed it and took it over. (quote)

Noert, 29, the 2018 European marathon champ, came into the race with a 2;09:51 pb. His other PBs are very doable by American standards- 3:42, 7:58, 13:32, 28:32 and 61:42 - and he didn't break 2:10 in his first 6 marathons.

Naert has the fundamentals to go even faster. That 3.42 is what caught my eye, basically sub. 4 speed. His track times...are decent but could be better. His potential should have seen 7.45, 13.22, and 27.45, based on his intrinsic speed, with the caveat that he achieved all those times when working as a nurse, a highly stressful job in Belgium, far from.ideal with standing and walking for long shifts and psychological pressures from the stress of dealing with difficult patients.

Naert is a Dutch speaker, although he knows basic French.

The country that produced such greats as Roelants, Lismont, Hagelsteens, Smet, DeBeck et. all continues to produce champs...(in football as well, in 2018 Belgium ranked 1 in FIFA!).

Ghost in China

re Abdi Nageeye...judging from.his fluent Dutch skills, it sounds like he was raised in Holland....more info...would be good...

Ghost1 wrote:

re Abdi Nageeye...judging from.his fluent Dutch skills, it sounds like he was raised in Holland....more info...would be good...

Judging by this he is raised more elsewhere than Holland (where he spent 4 years as youth).

Most definitely does not train in Holland, or Europe, or the Western world...

That would be good if it is the guy in the video who doesn't get to race in the finals. That was a sad story.

As for a 2:07 from a 13:32/28:xx guy, that is, um, amazing.

It either proves once again that Americans of far greater track ability are doing the wrong marathon training and hence, far, far underperforming relative to their abilities or there is another explanation for this performance.

What should Ritz have run with 12:56/60:00 with a better marathon coach (going to Kenya earlier in his career)?

How is this possible? wrote:

Naert 2:07:39.

7th in loaded Rotterdam marathon.

The only one in the top 10 that was born in and also trains in the northern latitudes.

How does he do it? What is the secret?

US has dozens of guy faster than him on the track.

We should have a good 20 guys under this time but we don't.

You need to check your geography before making buffoon statements . Mateo, the 9th place guy is from Spain, unless the poles shifted dramatically the last day, Spain is in the northern latitudes. He was born and trains there.

I don't see anyone talking about the Turkish runner who kicked Koen's rear by more than 2 minutes. Özbilen, finished second in 2:05:27, 16 seconds shy of Mo Farah’s European record and the second-fastest time ever by a European athlete. Turkey is part of Europe just in case ya'll forgot.

donyiyo wrote:

I don't see anyone talking about the Turkish runner who kicked Koen's rear by more than 2 minutes. Özbilen, finished second in 2:05:27, 16 seconds shy of Mo Farah’s European record and the second-fastest time ever by a European athlete. Turkey is part of Europe just in case ya'll forgot.

You mean the suspicious Kenyan mercenary that trains only in Kenya?

Loved the mass start, just like the good old days.

Letsrun usa wrote:

How is this possible? wrote:

Naert 2:07:39.

7th in loaded Rotterdam marathon.

The only one in the top 10 that was born in and also trains in the northern latitudes.

How does he do it? What is the secret?

US has dozens of guy faster than him on the track.

We should have a good 20 guys under this time but we don't.

Secret? Better nutrition.

Also, he's not overvaccinated like typical younger American.

F*ck off with this BS.

Yes, he is still European, a black European citizen of Turkey. Yes, a sin under some racist standards in this site.

Ah, a citizen of Turkey. All good then. Nothing to see here.

Hope for Americans, Boit runs 2:07.20 19 seconds ahead of Naert. https://www.iaaf.org/athletes/united-states/josphat-boit-176323

donyiyo wrote:

Yes, he is still European, a black European citizen of Turkey. Yes, a sin under some racist standards in this site.

Turkey is thought of as more middle east than Europe. Europeans are not black. Blacks are Africans. And finally, this isn't a case of true immigration like we see with mo Farah fleeing to England as a little kid. What Turkey is doing is no different from what other middle Eastern countries do, that is buy athletes. Only a complete imbecile can't see what is going on here.

According to Wikipedia, Saif Saaeed Shaheen got paid a million dollars to become a Qatar citizen.

Go through these list:

Are any of these records held by people who weren't paid to become citizens? Call them what they actually are, they are soldiers of fortune.

Ozbilen was born William Tanui in Kenya

Turkey has a tendency to import Kenyan athletes.

Europeans (and Africans for that matter) don't have the grueling NCAA system to clean out their clocks (i.e. run them into the ground) during their prime years. A guy like Ches had the potential to be a world champion during his NCAA years. Now he's 29 seconds behind Sammy Kipketer at Carlsbad. Sammy was very good, but he was never a world champion and Ches is over 200 meter slower.

Long story short, the NCAA system runs Americans into the ground. By the time they get out they can't break 2:10 for the marathon. It's too hard to run XC, indoors, and outdoors. It's 3 peaks per year for 4-5 years. Then they burn out and mentally give up and settle for 2:12-2:15 marathons.

Charlesvdw wrote:

Ozbilen was born William Tanui in Kenya

Turkey has a tendency to import Kenyan athletes.

NOPE, He was born Mike Kigen in Kenya

William Tanui is the 3:31.30 for 1500 and 1:44.00 for 800, both use the name Ozblizen, now, Also Vivian Jemutai now goes by the name Yasemin Can.

All 3 were Refugees who fled Kenya to look for a better way of life, that they found in Turkey all 3 Changed their names because the names they changed to are more familiar in Turkey. I think of them by their former names because I am American and the names, Mike, William and Vivian are more familiar to me, all 3 occasionally go back to Kenya to train and visit family, they all have dreams of bringing their families to Turkey someday.