Is David Rudisha Update?

This may be true about Coe, but he was clearly a doper.

is Rudisha still update?

Coevette never properly explains how Coe went from being a 56.xx 400m runner at age 14 to a 46.xx 400m runner at age 21 or 22 while still being built like a thirteen year old female. Covette has stated previously, "Coe physically matured." I do not buy it. I have seen guys go from (54-56) 400m at age 14 to (46-48) 400m by age 21 or 22. They look completely different. Coe went from looking like a 10 year old girl to being built like a 13 year old girl. The stated years are when Peter Coe did something to S Coe IMO.

I think Rudisha running a solo world record after rounds in an Olympic final is possibly the greatest track and field performance of all time.

Covette never ... wrote:

Coevette never properly explains how Coe went from being a 56.xx 400m runner at age 14 to a 46.xx 400m runner at age 21 or 22 while still being built like a thirteen year old female. Covette has stated previously, "Coe physically matured." I do not buy it. I have seen guys go from (54-56) 400m at age 14 to (46-48) 400m by age 21 or 22. They look completely different. Coe went from looking like a 10 year old girl to being built like a 13 year old girl. The stated years are when Peter Coe did something to S Coe IMO.

I did answer your identical point before, but I don't see how you've properly explained why I should waste 3 minutes of my life answering such a stupid point.

funk soul brotha wrote:

is Rudisha still update?

This is probably the last update of him.

Coevett wrote:

classic LRC wrote:

"It would be highly suspicious if Rudisha didn't come back at 31. Coe , who set his PR at 24, never came within a second of it afterwards, and retired before 31, as well as Snell, who set his PR at 23, only came within a second of it once more at 25, and then retired at 25.....those guys are the standard."

Actually Coe ran 1:43 when he was 32 or 33, and a shadow of his best (due not just to age but all the health and injury problems since his peak).

Most athletes retired in their mid twenties before the advent of the professional era. Are you saying Snell retiring to pursue his (highly successful) medical career was due to new testing coming in before Mexico, which is widely regarded (including by Bad Wiggins himself above) as one of, if not the, most doped Games in history?

"Due not just to age but all the health....problems since his peak."

......I believe those health problems were unique to the symptoms only medically found with poor blood doping procedures.

Toxoplasmosis. Medically speaking this is only caused by vlood transfusions. Coe suffered it for two years. Once he was cured, it was 1986, doping was banned, he never ran as well again.

Coevett wrote:

funk soul brotha wrote:

is Rudisha still update?

This is probably the last update of him.

http://www.xinhuanet.com/english/2019-02/01/c_137792964.htm

Made in China 2025 strategic goal: track and field news.

I don't know how you can call the 3rd fast 800m runner of all time and holder of multiple gold medals a joke but ok

Dopey was the smartest dwarf. wrote:

.....I believe those health problems were unique to the symptoms only medically found with poor blood doping procedures.

Toxoplasmosis. Medically speaking this is only caused by vlood transfusions. Coe suffered it for two years. Once he was cured, it was 1986, doping was banned, he never ran as well again.

No, using the athlete's own blood was the universal method of blood doping back then, with one of the main reasons being to avoid the possibility of blood infections. 'Medically speaking' you're talking out of your behind. He ran a low 1:43 in 1989 when he was just shy of 33 years of age and gave Bile - the world number 1 - a race to the line at the World Cup final. Oh and he set his 1500 pb in 86 and won his 800m major gold medal at the Europeans.

Number of sub 1:43 performances:

Snell - 0

Coe - 2

Rudisha - 16

I believe this is a pretty open and shut discussion.

None of these 800 runners have ever been caught doping and the only one who has ever had "suspicion" around any part of his career was Coe. Just running fast doesn't (or shouldn't) always equate to suspicion.

Rudisha is clearly the best 800 runner of all time and I don't think its particularly close. He has the medals, the times, and the consistency over a long period of time. He doesn't have to run another step and it doesn't change anything. Several posters keep trying to bark up the woulda, shoulda, coulda on ones line Snell but the reality is- they all had the careers that they had. Rudisha is unequivocally the greatest 800 runner of all time.

Coevett wrote:

Dopey was the smartest dwarf. wrote:

.....I believe those health problems were unique to the symptoms only medically found with poor blood doping procedures.

Toxoplasmosis. Medically speaking this is only caused by vlood transfusions. Coe suffered it for two years. Once he was cured, it was 1986, doping was banned, he never ran as well again.

No, using the athlete's own blood was the universal method of blood doping back then, with one of the main reasons being to avoid the possibility of blood infections. 'Medically speaking' you're talking out of your behind. He ran a low 1:43 in 1989 when he was just shy of 33 years of age and gave Bile - the world number 1 - a race to the line at the World Cup final. Oh and he set his 1500 pb in 86 and won his 800m major gold medal at the Europeans.

Speaking of tslking out their arse, did I hear Coevett try to say something inteligent?

....auto-transfusions (using your own blood previously drawn and saved, then transfused) WAS Peter Coe's preferred method. Toxoplasmisis can occur using your own blood if it was not stored or handled correctly (cool, but not frozen, cant be shaken, everything perfectly sterilized)

....The fact the Seb Coe even had it is proof. You cant get toxoplasmisis if you havent had transfusions. Coe suffered it for over 2 years. He sucked afterwards.

Coe isn't even the second greatest 800m runner of all time. Wilson Kipketer is. And it's a toss up between Coe and Cruz for third.

There's no shame in that, that's awesome.

There is a shame in the reason Coevett won't acknowledge this.

The idea that having toxoplasmosis indicates blood doping is nonsense. His health problems were not unique to 'symptoms only medically found with poor blood doping'. LOL.

It might be worth considering if you would care to offer some data on the percentage of any sample groups (athletes or non athletes) who have contracted toxoplasmosis as a result of blood doping or indeed blood transfusions?

In addition, what is the % of those suffering from toxoplasmosis who contracted it through blood transfusions or blood doping?

Let's see the data that suggests either scenario is common.

Millions of people have toxoplasmosis in their system from contamination from cats, soil or undercooked meat. Although people can be infected through contact with cat faeces, the far more common way for someone to have contact with the parasite that causes toxoplasmosis is through unhygienic handling of raw or undercooked meat, drinking contaminated water and exposure to garden soil or sandboxes where infected cats may have defecated.

'In the US, the most common way to get infected with the toxoplasmosis parasite is by eating raw meat or unwashed fruits and vegetables (Cornell, 2008).'

Fortunately, most people have been exposed to or infected by Toxoplasma and already have immunity to the disease. People with weakened immune systems run the greatest risk of contracting toxoplasmosis.

Those in relatively good health will usually show no signs or simply have mild, flu-like symptoms. About 10-20% of people infected with toxoplasmosis will develop symptoms similar to flu or glandular fever. “Symptoms usually appear a week or two after infection, wax and wane and then subside gradually over a period of two weeks to several months.”

Some people have swollen lymph glands or muscle aches and pains that last for a month or more. In healthy people who show symptoms, a flu-like feeling is the most common (which may result in the mistaken diagnosis of infectious mononucleosis)

. These symptoms also include:

• fever

• swollen lymph nodes, especially in the neck

• headache

• muscle aches and pains

Occasionally, patients may complain of a sore throat. These symptoms can last for a month or more.

These are the symptoms Coe showed. He didn’t have severe toxoplasmosis, which effects the brain, eyes and organs.

Most people live with it without showing anything more than flu like symptoms. It can be serious if you put your body through physical stress. For an Olympic athlete training every day with a condition living off your energy sources, then it's going to result in a 1 or 2% drop in performance. That's the difference between winning in 1:42 and being in the middle of the pack in 1:45.

In addition, the practice in that period for blood transfusions by sportsmen was almost universally autologous blood doping. If he was putting his own blood back into his body then the only way he could have got it through blood transfusions would be from his own blood! Which means he must already have had it in his system through one of the regular means cited above.

Coe led the way for banning blood doping when comissioned to produce a white paper in conjunction with the Minister of Sport. It was banned in 1985, the year before he ran his fastest ever 1500m in 1986.

Your post is littered with factual inaccuracies, showing either a lack of knowledge or a hidden agenda to misrepresent the truth.

Coevett wrote:

He posted on Instagram earlier this year I think that he was back in training.

I can't believe that he wont be going for a third gold in Tokyo. He'll still be only 31. His appearance fees on the track and sponsorship must be way higher than any other athlete since Bolt retired.

TBH, it would be highly suspicious if he doesn't come back - on the El G retiring after Sydney just when the EPO tests came in suspicious scale.

Snell is still the GOAT, and it's still quite plausible to argue that Coe is still the greatest ever talent at 800m. Rudisha winning a third gold and it would be very hard to argue against Rudisha.

Give me a BREAK!

Kenyan Cowboy wrote:

Rudy is really looking good!!!! Could we see him in Tokyo for a historic #3?

https://instagram.com/p/ByaCJBQFJp-/

I think that's an old picture, posted on a recent date.

Great. https://www.tellthebell.xyz/

Me waiting for Wayde van Niekerk to make a return, no DL this year again due to bone bruising in the same knee he did the ACL in.

Haven't seen Coevette surmise that he tore his ACL playing touch rugby in order to circumvent dope testers, but won't put it past him