Can this formula be brought into the argument? It may have as much bearing on this particular discussion as does the most serious math formula espoused above:
"The angle of the dangle is directly proportional to the mass of the a** divided by the heat of the meat, which equals the ratio of the fellat*o"
okay.
Thanks.
The drift into lane 2 was less important than his letting up before the line. He let up the last 2 steps.
As for the 1.5m extra distance, no one said he ran in lane 2 for the TURN. Looking at the video it seems like he just let the turn take him to the line between lane 1 and 2. He veered a little, but as shown it's not a big difference (~1 1/4 cm) if it were a straight line.
rojo wrote:
As a former HS math teacher, I'll remind you of some simple geometry - the shortest distance between two points is a straight line.
Did it cost him the record? Maybe. On the last lap, he averaged 7.059654076 meters per second which comes out to 2.78 inches every .01 of a second.
Have you ever heard of significant figures, dumba ss? Christ you're dumb in so many different ways it hurts.
Dumm wrote:
rojo wrote:
As a former HS math teacher, I'll remind you of some simple geometry - the shortest distance between two points is a straight line.
Did it cost him the record? Maybe. On the last lap, he averaged 7.059654076 meters per second which comes out to 2.78 inches every .01 of a second.
Have you ever heard of significant figures, dumba ss? Christ you're dumb in so many different ways it hurts.
Ha! The best part is he leads with "As a former HS math teacher." It reminds me of those "Holiday Inn Express" commercials.
Rojo's a genius wrote:
Any time a runner happens to run into the second lane, one of the Brojos chimes in to offer this free "coaching advice," as if it's not 1) the most basic advice a high school coach could offer and 2) something athletes haven't already heard before.
It happens sometimes. But when it does, it's not simply because the coach in question hasn't shared the most basic of bromides with his athletes: you're caught up in the moment, you're focusing just on finishing, it takes more energy to hug the turn, as some posters have already said.
If you want to make the point--easy and predictable as it is--that an athlete who loses out on the world record by .01 should stick more to lane 1, fine. But just say that. And recognize that the realities of racing can sometimes supersede the one stale morsel of "advice" you have to share.
And if you want to pass yourself off as an expert, get some fresher material.
My comment was ironic, a joke--I was quoting what Larry Rawson would also say during a telecast about going out to your local high school track. Of course, explaining a joke is a fool's errand.
No wonder Cornell turned so many heads while Robert was their coach.
He’s also rather tall for an indoor track. Maybe tough for him to ride the rail off a tight turn.
I don't think "Rojo's a genius" was responding to you, Montesquieu. He just replied to your comment because it was the last one in the thread. Hopefully all Letsrunners are familiar Larry Rawson's infamous "go down to the high school track" remarks.
Anyways, my 2 cents, regarding Rojo's post: A WR miss of .01 certainly makes you wonder what he could have done different to make up that tiny fraction of a second, but staying in lane one probably wouldn't have done it. Based on the Pythagorean theorem, the extra distance he covered was miniscule (less than the 2.78 inches Rojo proposed), and likely a non-factor. Also, no need to call out Salazar. I'm sure he has conveyed this very basic racing principal to his athletes.
rojo wrote:
Please tell your runners in the future not to run out into lane 2 under any circumstance when they have the lead coming off the final turn. There is no need to run the extra distance.
Tonight, I noticed that Yomif was running much of the final straight in lane 2 even though he had a massive lead. It appears that he needlessly ran some extra distance (Yes, perhaps in indoors, his momentum pulled him out there, but then he veered back towards lane 1 at the end).
As a former HS math teacher, I'll remind you of some simple geometry - the shortest distance between two points is a straight line.
Did it cost him the record? Maybe. On the last lap, he averaged 7.059654076 meters per second which comes out to 2.78 inches every .01 of a second.
So basically he missed tying the world record by less than 3 inches.
Better coaching advice for Al-
1) find a rabbit who can a decent first 400. What was it, 29.6, 26.3 ??? WTF? He runs a stupidly slow first 200, and then panics and loses his mind and runs a stupidly fast 2nd 200.
That's f'n absurd. So the 2nd 200 was like 3:30 mile pace? Great job!
2) Tell your athletes to know their own pace. If the rabbits F-cks up, DON'T FOLLOW THEM.
Your welcome
Ed Chez hugged the inside lane throughout his effort last year. Flotrack highlighted this in a video last week. Kejelcha ran 2-3 feet further on just his last lap.
Indoor T&F is good for outdoor 100/200/110H athletes. Some college 100m, 200m & 110mH athletes are on a full ride. Indoors is their time to start to show what they can do after a long fall without racing. Besides short distant sprinters, I really do not see the value. Do 400 through 5000 athletes peak their training for indoors? It is so rare for the indoor gals/guys to be the great ones outdoors. Statistically, it is closer to being inverse: Set a WR indoors and more apt to be a bum outdoors. Save me the post regarding Hicham el G. and Haile G. doing well indoors and outdoors. The greatest of the greatest are able to rise above poor coaching and poor agent decisions.
My apologies for the mixup, Montesquieu--my comment wasn't meant as a direct response to yours, which I had no issue with.
Hug the line wrote:
Ed Chez hugged the inside lane throughout his effort last year. Flotrack highlighted this in a video last week. Kejelcha ran 2-3 feet further on just his last lap.
Chez- raced at the Armory tons of times in HS.
Congrats to AlSal - Job well done!
Hug the line wrote:
Ed Chez hugged the inside lane throughout his effort last year. Flotrack highlighted this in a video last week. Kejelcha ran 2-3 feet further on just his last lap.
Cheserek is 5'6". Kejelcha is 6'1". A lot easier for Cheserek to stay inside than Kejelcha.
rojo wrote:
Please tell your runners in the future not to run out into lane 2 under any circumstance when they have the lead coming off the final turn. There is no need to run the extra distance.
Tonight, I noticed that Yomif was running much of the final straight in lane 2 even though he had a massive lead. It appears that he needlessly ran some extra distance (Yes, perhaps in indoors, his momentum pulled him out there, but then he veered back towards lane 1 at the end).
As a former HS math teacher, I'll remind you of some simple geometry - the shortest distance between two points is a straight line.
Did it cost him the record? Maybe. On the last lap, he averaged 7.059654076 meters per second which comes out to 2.78 inches every .01 of a second.
So basically he missed tying the world record by less than 3 inches.
As a current high school chemistry teacher, I must quibble with the purported certainty in your speed value. I seriously doubt the timing equipment used for Millrose (or anywhere) is high-tech enough to be used to report the value you did to 10 significant figures.
Putting that aside, you still have an argument worth considering. I think the more robust part of your argument is that veering back towards lane 1 is what could have cost him. It could be argued that it would have taken more corrective energy to keep him from slightly sliding out into lane 2 coming off the turn and therefore letting that naturally happen wasn't all that bad.
What a great effort and fun race to watch.
rojo wrote:
As a former HS math teacher,
This is frightening.
I bet almost every great performance in the history of the sport can be nitpicked for milliseconds, or seconds, lost. How many middle distance record-setting races by individuals have been P-E-R-F-E-C-T ?
What a dumb comment. Fisher, McDonald, and Hoare will dominate outdoor as well as indoor.