Is Kejelcha or Mo a better runner?

Lol, okay sonny.

Armstronglivs wrote:

... but you can never change the order of gold, silver and bronze...

Nick Willis would disagree with that.

TFCcfttfcctf wrote:

Armstronglivs wrote:

Who did he beat, apart from his pacemaker? And this ranks up there with World Championship or Olympic titles - of which he has none? And how many of these titles does Farah have?

He beat the Kenyan indoor mile record holder (2nd fastest indoor mile until yesterday). He beat the Olympic Games 800m bronze medalist. He beat multiple time Olympic 1500m medalist. He beat the NCAA 1500m record holder.

The top 5 fastest miles of the indoor season were recorded yesterday.

Who was missing? Tefera? Lewandowski?

Who is the big name that was not there yesterday?

Nick willis ain't what he used to be and ches is just getting back after a personal layoff.

Hmm big names not there?

? I got one!

Cheriuyot

Managoi

Iguider

The 3 ingebritsens

Centrowitz

Mikhou

Wote

Souleiman

Kaazouzi

Tefera

All the world class milers were missing

Kejelcha was good, amazing even and has great times ahead but he is not a 4 time oly champ and 6 time world champ yet. He has far to go but has a long time to catch up. No time for the bekele, geb and farah comparison rn.

Cffttfvfftftf wrote:

Armstronglivs wrote:

... but you can never change the order of gold, silver and bronze...

Nick Willis would disagree with that.

If you want to talking doping, then no one's medals are safe or achievements are above question - at least in more recent years. And I wouldn't leave Kejelcha out of that conversation either. What's the standard of testing in his country?

it's obvious wrote:

Kejelcha is a better runner.

Farah has a better career (for now).

So how does the runner who has "the better career" - more big championship titles - rate as a lesser runner than another who has none of those titles? If achievements aren't the test then what are? If you think times are what matter then you don't know anything about racing, and every runner who has beaten 3.35 for 1500 is better than Herb Elliot. BS.

If Kejelcha is 21 or 22, then I'm shaving at least a dozen years off my age. Actually, he seems like a good guy, and I hope he continues to be successful.

If Kejelcha and Klosterhaufen had a baby, would the kid be a great runner?

better = faster wrote:

Kejelcha is better and it isn't close.

It’s just a matter of time.

Kejelcha *may* not rack up as many WC/Oly medals as Mo, but Mo’s are pretty trivial given the “competition” at 5/10k.

If last summer’s Ethiopian mega time trial is any indication of things to come then the post-Mo era of track is about to be exciting again.

DC Wonk wrote:

If Kejelcha is 21 or 22, then I'm shaving at least a dozen years off my age. Actually, he seems like a good guy, and I hope he continues to be successful.

If Kejelcha and Klosterhaufen had a baby, would the kid be a great runner?

Does he look that much older?

Somewhere early twenties seems likely to me.

I think the LR crowd has some serious problems eyeballing the age of east africans.

DC Wonk wrote:

If Kejelcha and Klosterhaufen had a baby, would the kid be a great runner?

That would be one skinny baby BTW.

doot doot wrote:

better = faster wrote:

Kejelcha is better and it isn't close.

It’s just a matter of time.

Kejelcha *may* not rack up as many WC/Oly medals as Mo, but Mo’s are pretty trivial given the “competition” at 5/10k.

If last summer’s Ethiopian mega time trial is any indication of things to come then the post-Mo era of track is about to be exciting again.

Go ahead and take a look at the all-time Top 25 list for the 10,000. Mo has beaten #1, #6, #8, #14, #15, #17, #18, #19, #20, #22, and hasn’t raced the others, unless you count the Great North Run vs. Haile. Over on the all-time 5,000 list, Mo has beaten #1, #5, #6, #7, #8, #12, #25. I don’t think he raced any of the others.

Is everyone forgetting that Farah has raced Kejelcha many times in championships and DL?

exrunner wrote:

Is everyone forgetting that Farah has raced Kejelcha many times in championships and DL?

That was before Alberto Salazar special sauce. He appears to be a better responder compared to mo.

exrunner wrote:

Is everyone forgetting that Farah has raced Kejelcha many times in championships and DL?

So how did Kejelcha do on that score?

Ggyyyyyh wrote:

jhand366 wrote:

Mo is better, but Kejelcha has more potential, at least for 10k and under.

You did notice that Kejelcha has a faster HM PB.

The statement made by others that Kejelcha is not as good because he did not win multiple Olympic/WC is a bit weird. Since that is only possible if you have been world class for many years. Second, it depends who is at the top of his game at the same time as you.

The clock does not lie (which is why the guy with the faster PR always wins).

If they raced over a half I'd put my money on Mo, regardless of their PR's, though I could be wrong. Hence I consider Mo to be better at that distance.

At 21 Kejelcha is a far better runner than Mo Farah was at 21. I'd bet against anyone achieving the level of success that Farah did on the track, but Kejelcha certainly has as good potential as anyone to best Farah's career.

Doot this wrote:

doot doot wrote:

It’s just a matter of time.

Kejelcha *may* not rack up as many WC/Oly medals as Mo, but Mo’s are pretty trivial given the “competition” at 5/10k.

If last summer’s Ethiopian mega time trial is any indication of things to come then the post-Mo era of track is about to be exciting again.

Go ahead and take a look at the all-time Top 25 list for the 10,000. Mo has beaten #1, #6, #8, #14, #15, #17, #18, #19, #20, #22, and hasn’t raced the others, unless you count the Great North Run vs. Haile. Over on the all-time 5,000 list, Mo has beaten #1, #5, #6, #7, #8, #12, #25. I don’t think he raced any of the others.

That’s neat.

Did he beat any of them in fast races or are you talking 13:4X type races ala London 2012?

Where was Mo in 2004-2011 when track was popping off? That’s right, Mo was pacing workouts for Mottram as a veritable nobody until the greats got hurt, moved on, or hit the roads.

There's a reason Mikhou is missing from action....

doot doot wrote:

Doot this wrote:

Go ahead and take a look at the all-time Top 25 list for the 10,000. Mo has beaten #1, #6, #8, #14, #15, #17, #18, #19, #20, #22, and hasn’t raced the others, unless you count the Great North Run vs. Haile. Over on the all-time 5,000 list, Mo has beaten #1, #5, #6, #7, #8, #12, #25. I don’t think he raced any of the others.

That’s neat.

Did he beat any of them in fast races or are you talking 13:4X type races ala London 2012?

Where was Mo in 2004-2011 when track was popping off? That’s right, Mo was pacing workouts for Mottram as a veritable nobody until the greats got hurt, moved on, or hit the roads.

In 2011, Farah won the Prefontaine Classic 10,000 meter race in 26:46, beating Merga, Bett, Tanui, Tadesse, Sihine, Kisorio, Komen, Ebuya, etc. Later that year, he set a meet record 12:53 in Monaco, beating Lagat, Kipchoge, Merga, Longosiwa, etc. Any more nonsense from you?

Cffttfvfftftf wrote:

Armstronglivs wrote:

... but you can never change the order of gold, silver and bronze...

Nick Willis would disagree with that.

Nick Willis is too old to matter.