Who says it won't work? wrote:
If US Special Forces can't breach it, neither will the drug cartels. And this from the LA Times, a left-leaning newspaper.
https://www.latimes.com/local/lanow/la-me-border-wall-test-20180119-story.html
did the Special forces try a boat, or getting on an airplane, or driving through a border entry point?
Soon all the borders will be open and everyone will be happy!
nope wrote:
Pierre Douton wrote:
How could it not be detrimental? I thought you progressives used to be for unions, workers rights, and the 40 hour week? Illegal workers often make less than the minimum wage or work in substandard, illegal conditions. That unfair competition hurts every working-class citizen, and only serves to enrich big business owners and upper class folks who hire illegal household help.
And it's certainly detrimental in terms of demographics. If these people are coming from war-torn, violent places, with low education levels, what type of kids are they going to raise here?
Not a progressive, would never vote democrat in my life.....i just happen to be anti-moran.
Most immigrant kids i know turned out much better than you.
Agree totally. Some immigrants are living a much better life than I am. However, all those immigrants I'm thinking of came here legally, their parents were highly educated in STEM fields, and they could write/speak English before coming here.
Anyway still waiting for you to explain why unfettered illegal immigration is a good thing that we should allow.
Pierre Douton wrote:
well, for one thing wrote:
America has invaded more countries than any other during most people's lifetimes.....yet we are the ones building a wall?
Non Sequitur
I'm sorry you couldn't follow the logic.
well, for one thing wrote:
Pierre Douton wrote:
Non Sequitur
I'm sorry you couldn't follow the logic.
Enlighten me, oh wise one.
Pierre Douton wrote:
What is morally questionable about a sovereign nation securing and defending its borders against foreign invasion? That is a fundamental right of any country.
The U.S. miltary budget is 150 times larger than Mexico's so I don't think we need a wall to hinder an invasion.
nope wrote:
Pierre Douton wrote:
So you're saying we need an enforcement program to kick those people out, in addition to the aforementioned wall/steel barrier? Sign me up!
i'm saying the immigrants are not really a problem. There's little evidence that illegal immigration is even a detriment to our country. Why not address issues that are known problems first?
Also this^
Immigrants are only a problem to idiots. Most of them pay taxes and work hard like everyone else.
Basically, the drug cartels already control the border for practical purposes.
Of course USA media won't report it, but they've gone off and killed ppl who sneaked across samizdat, instead of paying the 5000 dollar smuggling fee. It's another angle that the "humanitarian" syndrome gets wrong, ofc.
Illegal immigration is at a 30 year low.
Don't buy the media propaganda. It's a non issue.
Figure out how to keep the economy running as we age and have less kids -- that a real pressing issue.
OR figure out climate change.
Stop being a moron and worrying about immigration -- you just look illiterate.
Pierre Douton wrote:
well, for one thing wrote:
I'm sorry you couldn't follow the logic.
Enlighten me, oh wise one.
i don't waste wisdom on fools or trolls.
It's easy enough to put the pieces together yourself if you try.
thinking for yourself...give it shot.
Hindered wrote:
Basically, the drug cartels already control the border for practical purposes.
Of course USA media won't report it, but they've gone off and killed ppl who sneaked across samizdat, instead of paying the 5000 dollar smuggling fee. It's another angle that the "humanitarian" syndrome gets wrong, ofc.
Stop shocking us with facts.
We want to believe in irreality, where none of smuggled women get raped (instead of at least 1/3, likely over half), it's all kids and families (granted, the smugglers give them a discount as it's easier to get them across; though see above for abuse issues), no one is forced to carry drugs across (perhaps under their clothes, or in body orifices) as a quid pro quo
Harambe wrote:
Illegal immigration is at a 30 year low.
Don't buy the media propaganda. It's a non issue.
Figure out how to keep the economy running as we age and have less kids -- that a real pressing issue.
OR figure out climate change.
Stop being a moron and worrying about immigration -- you just look illiterate.
Sounds like Trump is having a deterrent effect! Why not keep working on the problem to get it even lower?
The rest of your post is nothing but whataboutism so I won’t engage.
well, for one thing wrote:
Pierre Douton wrote:
Enlighten me, oh wise one.
i don't waste wisdom on fools or trolls.
It's easy enough to put the pieces together yourself if you try.
thinking for yourself...give it shot.
The Patriots are good on offense. Therefore they should not play defense. Sound logic indeed.
Pierre Douton wrote:
Harambe wrote:
Illegal immigration is at a 30 year low.
Don't buy the media propaganda. It's a non issue.
Figure out how to keep the economy running as we age and have less kids -- that a real pressing issue.
OR figure out climate change.
Stop being a moron and worrying about immigration -- you just look illiterate.
Sounds like Trump is having a deterrent effect! Why not keep working on the problem to get it even lower?
The rest of your post is nothing but whataboutism so I won’t engage.
wow, WEAK troll effort
transparent and too obviously stupid.
work on your game.
rtyetygertyget wrote:
well, for one thing wrote:
i don't waste wisdom on fools or trolls.
It's easy enough to put the pieces together yourself if you try.
thinking for yourself...give it shot.
The Patriots are good on offense. Therefore they should not play defense. Sound logic indeed.
this would be like the Patriots spending all the resources preparing to defeat an opponent who they aren't even going to play.
dumb.
It will work. The leftist open borders lobby will say/find anything to prevent it from going up.
The bleeding hearts like to hearken back to the "good ol' days" of Ellis Island style immigration as a way of guiding modern border policy. Ellis Island was not as rosy as movies and books like to portray....Ellis Island turned away ~2% of immigrants. Note these numbers are of people who actually got on the boat and made the journey. The ocean liner companies knew US immigration rules at the time and most screened all would be immigrants before boarding their ships (the companies had to pay for the return journey for anyone turned away at Ellis Island).
Reasons for getting denied entry ranged from having contagious diseases like TB to holding extreme political beliefs (think crazy anarchists, commies etc).
A porous border with a third world country (yes, it is THIRD WORLD) is not a good recipe for success and has caused among other things crime and disease (resurgence in TB which was thought to be almost eradicated in the US 30 years ago).
How is this trolling? I realize the wall is controversial but I am raising serious points here. Not everyone who disagrees with you is a troll.
I haven’t heard any great arguments against the wall so far except the cost, which sounds like a lot, but is really like 1 basis point of the US budget.
The Patriots are good on offense. Therefore they should not play defense. Sound logic indeed.
Works well in NFL overtime if you win a coin-flip.
EFan wrote:
It will work. The leftist open borders lobby will say/find anything to prevent it from going up.
The bleeding hearts like to hearken back to the "good ol' days" of Ellis Island style immigration as a way of guiding modern border policy. Ellis Island was not as rosy as movies and books like to portray....Ellis Island turned away ~2% of immigrants. Note these numbers are of people who actually got on the boat and made the journey. The ocean liner companies knew US immigration rules at the time and most screened all would be immigrants before boarding their ships (the companies had to pay for the return journey for anyone turned away at Ellis Island).
Reasons for getting denied entry ranged from having contagious diseases like TB to holding extreme political beliefs (think crazy anarchists, commies etc).
A porous border with a third world country (yes, it is THIRD WORLD) is not a good recipe for success and has caused among other things crime and disease (resurgence in TB which was thought to be almost eradicated in the US 30 years ago).
Totally agree efan. Skilled immigration by people who share our values and speak English: the more the merrier!
Open borders to the third (ahem, “developing”, getting better all the time...) world? Truly foolish.