NXN at Large, here ya go!

Nike is For Profit wrote:

They don't want Edina from Minnesota when they can get more local teams there who will obviously travel better.

No, they just don't like cake eaters!!!

pretty sure Nike isn't profiting much off of NXN

Edina definitely got snubbed, but if they got in we'd be talking about one of the other schools.

Sometimes people don't like to be bogged down with facts. You will see people complaining for the next few days about being snubbed because they think that NXN is governed by a body like their state governing body which is not for profit. Nike is trying to maximize profit which won't necessarily be consistent with decisions that seem fair. They will continue to add to the masses at nationals until it becomes like New Balance where nearly anyone can compete if they are willing to pay. Footlocker is for purists while NXN is for the generation where everyone gets a trophy.

kid from PA wrote:

pretty sure Nike isn't profiting much off of NXN

Edina definitely got snubbed, but if they got in we'd be talking about one of the other schools.

Exactly. There were multiples good teams left out on both sides, but the teams that got in were also good. It would be rare if it ever happens where all of the teams with a good argument manage to make the field.

Edina and Flower Mound boys, Lone Peak and DGS girls are a couple of examples but they certainly aren't the only ones this year or in other years and it's not like the teams that are going are bad.

On the girls side:

Boise was 12 points away from qualifying, and beat Great Oak and SW#3 Niwot during the season.

Vista Murrieta lost state to Great Oak by only 4 points.

Liverpool was close to the NY AQ teams this year, even if they were further back than usual at NXR.

Niwot was 5 points away from qualifying in a tough region.

On the boys side:

Newbury Park obliterated the South qualifiers at Woodbridge and ran some great times at their state meet

Mountain Vista was 17 points away from qualifying in the always-strong Southwest region

Lewis & Clark was 1 point from qualifying and had beaten NW#2 before.

La Costa Canyon was 13 points behind Newbury Park and ran well at the state meet

Maybe you could argue the California boys and Liverpool girls, but those seem like pretty strong races to me, and the rest of the teams had very clear reasons to be considered at least as much as the teams that missed out.

Some of your information is wrong. Niwot Finished 21st in the southwest without their #1 runner and Mountain Vista got in as an at-large bid.

Oops read your post wrong. Sorry

How does everyone think the two auto qualifiers from CA will do?

Daddy owns you wrote:

And grass for most of the last 800m. It would be all grass if jerry brown didn’t put the state in a government-created drought which completely invalidates your entire point you Stromboli looking motherh*cker

Wait a minute -- the government now controls the rainfall??!!!

Liverpool's loss came in...wait for it...SEPTEMBER. Since when do the top teams shoot to have their best performances a full 8-10 weeks before championship season? Liverpool also has four wins over automatically qualifying opponents, two All-Americans and only finished 13 points back of Claremont. DGS's big win came over Great Oak in...wait for it again...SEPTEMBER. The best teams have their quality performances when it counts.

Not About the Early Season wrote:

Liverpool's loss came in...wait for it...SEPTEMBER. Since when do the top teams shoot to have their best performances a full 8-10 weeks before championship season? Liverpool also has four wins over automatically qualifying opponents, two All-Americans and only finished 13 points back of Claremont. DGS's big win came over Great Oak in...wait for it again...SEPTEMBER. The best teams have their quality performances when it counts.

DGS beat the Heartland teams, not Great Oak.

The Heartland AQ teams also lost to the #3 Heartland team, so DGS was not the only candidate to beat them.

Yes, Open Your Eyes People. California is surrounded by water, yet the state was somehow in a drought? Pathetic that you liberals didn't see it sooner. Or Maybe You're Just Too Blind to See What Newsom, Brown, Pelosi, and Barbara Boxer Are Doing To The State. When I ran the course back in '87 it was completely grass. I don't know who was trolling by saying only the last 50m of the race is on grass but I know they have obviously never been to the great cities of Fresno and Clovis. Checkmate, atheists.

Pretty amusing at how wildly inaccurate this statistic is (and amazingly unprofessional considering it was first tweeted from a DGS coach's account). While Niwott and Murrietta are questionable, Boise beat Great Oak heads up, and Liverpool has not 1, not 2, not 3 but 4 wins over automatically qualifying opponents. Additionally, the fact that NY and the NE race the same course minutes apart reveals that Liverpool crushed both teams from the NE on the merge. So definitively four wins, and since merges are used in the NXN qualifying system, it could be argued that they have six, double your precious DGS. Do your research before you go spouting off inaccurate statistics.

Do Some Research wrote:

Pretty amusing at how wildly inaccurate this statistic is (and amazingly unprofessional considering it was first tweeted from a DGS coach's account). While Niwott and Murrietta are questionable, Boise beat Great Oak heads up, and Liverpool has not 1, not 2, not 3 but 4 wins over automatically qualifying opponents. Additionally, the fact that NY and the NE race the same course minutes apart reveals that Liverpool crushed both teams from the NE on the merge. So definitively four wins, and since merges are used in the NXN qualifying system, it could be argued that they have six, double your precious DGS. Do your research before you go spouting off inaccurate statistics.

I always find using "wins over AQ teams" as the only criteria that seemingly matters pretty dubious because these are HS teams and they rarely face others during the season. Especially the Midwest teams with travel restrictions that don't allow them to travel. DGS never beat any of the At-Large teams, so why should they be pushed to the front of the line? Yes, they beat Wayzata and Edina at Roy Griak in September, but St. Michael's beat them at State in November... doesn't that make them at least as deserving? And yes, DGS beat Yorkville by one point on September 8, but they were 44 points back at NXR when it counted - shouldn't that be more important?

Niwot was 5 points away from qualifying in what is usually a strong region, and Lone Peak was only 6 points back. Those teams were only 52 and 53 points away from WINNING the Southwest, while DGS was 59 points back. Naperville North is a very good team, but so is Mountain Vista. Doesn't that put them at least on the same level? And with Niwot beating SW#2 Battle Mountain by 12 points at the State meet carry more weight than DGS beating Yorkville by 1 point in early September?

Vista Murrieta was only four points behind Great Oak at the California State meet this weekend. DGS was never that close to Naperville North, and isn't that at least as impressive as a 1 point win over Yorkville in early September?

And that's before you even get into how the performances on the course compare with eachother, instead of just looking at point totals against other teams.

DGS has a good team this year. And so did several other At-Large candidates. Only four girls teams could get selected, and all four have strong cases.

Daddy Owns You wrote:

Yes, Open Your Eyes People. California is surrounded by water, yet the state was somehow in a drought? Pathetic that you liberals didn't see it sooner. Or Maybe You're Just Too Blind to See What Newsom, Brown, Pelosi, and Barbara Boxer Are Doing To The State. When I ran the course back in '87 it was completely grass. I don't know who was trolling by saying only the last 50m of the race is on grass but I know they have obviously never been to the great cities of Fresno and Clovis. Checkmate, atheists.

I couldn't find 1987, but here is 1994. Starts on the grass, then you see them hit the asphalt about 120m into the race. Then you see them running on dirt the rest of the video (only the spectators are on grass; maybe Daddy didn't make the Top 7 squad and had to run on the grass to cheer on his teammates). Then you see them run on the road and hop on the grass to finish the last 100m. Nowadays you can find video of the entire course. *I know Daddy is trolling because he acknowledges Clovis... people not from the area most likely wouldn't know to mention Clovis. Which means he actually knows the course and knows it's not grass. He probably has run the course many times... Ironically though, I've most likely ran it more (and very likely have a faster PR; not that it matters...but then again, for no good reason at all, it kinda does matter)

La costa canyon only raced one auto qualifyer all year, and it was great oak.

The top teams in the Midwest travel. Teams ran in Minnesota, Iowa, Illinois, Wisconsin, and South Dakota.

Notice how people are still complaining? Nike establishes the rules and they can choose to follow them. They have allowed ineligible HS runners to compete and they have allowed teams to compete separately from individuals from the same school. They can do what they want. If you want well established rules, run Footlocker. If you want to be subject to the arm of the mighty corporate giant who benefits from slave labor, run NXN.

1994 is not 1987 ya idiot. I ran a 15:48 and ended up running for a big time Power 5 school. It was completely grass, you ass. I had the school record (and I likely still have it today) so your assertion that I "didn't make the top 7" is completely and utterly erroneous. I'd like you to list your PR on the course young man

Plus, you don't even matter. Your PRs don't matter because you suck, but I matter because I have 3 kids, a smoking hot wife, a $500k+ salary for a huge broadcasting company, and I can still whoop you, even at 49 years old. You have no girl, no kids, no job, no house, no car, and most importantly, no life. SAD!