Univ of Utah heptathlete Lauren McCluskey murdered on campus

Dur wrote:

This breaks my heart. Such a senseless death. I have no idea what is wrong with people to make them do anything like that.

A mentally ill man who felt he was entitled to this woman.

We see it all the time in this country (especially with terrorists.) A classic case of a messed-up incel with access to firearms.

I can only imagine how her parents must feel. Her mom heard it happen.

"Last night a little before 9 p.m., she was returning to her university apartment from her night class and talking to me on the phone," the statement from her mother said. "Suddenly, I heard her yell, 'No, no, no!' I thought she might have been in a car accident. That was the last I heard from her."

Jill McCluskey's husband, Matt, immediately called 911.

So messed that nobody listen to her saying she was being stalked.

Here's a way we can all help out:

https://www.gofundme.com/u-of-u-support-for-lauren-mccluskey

Really sad story

messed up wrote:

So messed that nobody listen to her saying she was being stalked.

Not sure what you mean. She filed a report with university PD who had talked with her about it.

Portland Hobby Jogger wrote:

thglife wrote:

Sad. Why would a college student date a 37 year old, even if he didn't have a criminal history?

An "older" man with income, some class, and a sense of purpose looks mighty attractive when compared to the typical college boy. Between 25-30, I dated quite a few college seniors and first year grad students. A gentleman with a job and a suit that offers you dinner/ intelligent conversation at a nice restaurant vs. a drunken boy in a rumpled hoody offering Netflix and chill? No contest!

I don't know about intelligent conversation, but it's unlikely this guy wore a suit and took her to nice restaurants and I doubt if he had a job. He had borrowed her car so probably didn't own one. He had just been released from prison in April so he was likely to have been living in a rundown apartment.

It's usually not dangerous to date a loser, but it's still odd she would have interested in a guy like that.

"Jill McCluskey (her mother) detailed Rowland’s harassment in her statement.

“He lied to her about his name, his age, and his criminal history,” she said in the statement obtained by Shara Park of KSL-TV. “Lauren was informed by a friend about his criminal history, and she ended the relationship with her killer on October 9, 2018. He had borrowed her car, and she requested for the University of Utah police accompany her on October 10, 2018 to get the car back. She blocked his and his friends' phone numbers and complained to University of Utah police that she was being harassed.”"

She (and her parents) vastly underestimated the obvious threat posed by this guy.

John Utah wrote:

Dur wrote:

This breaks my heart. Such a senseless death. I have no idea what is wrong with people to make them do anything like that.

Since the beginning of time there have been evil and or deranged people doing things like this. Always has been. Always will be.

Yeah, but they haven't alway had ("since the beginning of time") complete and easy access to any high-powered firearm they want, that's a recent phenomenon. And one that allows such evil/deranged people to only have to simply point at the person they want dead and basically snap their fingers ("you're dead!"). That's it, that's all it takes, really nothing more than that. That's the "right" we give them (if they choose to use that right in that way. Of course there will be punishment ,but it doesn't bring back the victim) Where there is an evil/deranged will, there is an easy way to carry it out that desire (i.e., gun).

Just pray that one of these people don't someday target you or a loved one in such a manner. Because if they do, in one second it will all be over.

Tyrone ReXXXing wrote:

Learn from History wrote:

A real tragedy. Sometimes using a little discrimination is okay. Three words - Nicole Brown Simpson.

I'm glad you and the next poster think this is funny or a time to be racist. (Great, I know, M_A_G_A and all that)

But a better retort would be: sometimes a little, no, a LOT of gun control is "okay."

Or if you don't like that, how about: sometimes a little discrimination ...against MEN... is okay? Because they are the ones killing the huge majority of women. But I am sure you don't like THAT discrimination/stereotyping, do you? Of course not.

Right. Because everyone knows those who want to do bad things, especially ex-cons, don't have a way to obtain a gun illegally. Chicago has the strictest gun laws in the country and also the highest homicide rates. I'm for everyone advocating more gun control to not have any guns because they're obviously too stupid to use them.

Another tragedy is the police failed to notify parole board that he was harassing her and was dragging their feet on the investigation. He should have been immediately picked up on a parole violation as soon as she filled a police report. She did everything right.

There’s kind of too much blame the victim in these questions. Who cares why she wanted to date him? Maybe they loved the same music, maybe he was funny, maybe she just liked him, maybe he was a smooth sociopathic con man, maybe she was having an off month and tried out someone a little different, who cares? She certainly had the right to date and then break up with any man she chose without being senselessly gunned down and then made to partially bear the blame on a fkn message board post Mortem. Men who commit violence are the ones to blame. End of story.

Play BTV wrote:

There’s kind of too much blame the victim in these questions. Who cares why she wanted to date him? Maybe they loved the same music, maybe he was funny, maybe she just liked him, maybe he was a smooth sociopathic con man, maybe she was having an off month and tried out someone a little different, who cares? She certainly had the right to date and then break up with any man she chose without being senselessly gunned down and then made to partially bear the blame on a fkn message board post Mortem. Men who commit violence are the ones to blame. End of story.

This +1000.

Thanks for your SJW efforts. I don't disagree with you, but feel like the efforts not to "blame the victim" stops discussion of how it might have been avoided. Not related to this story, but a woman wearing a very revealing dress to a party doesn't mean she deserves to be raped, but it plays a role.

wontsomebodythinkofthechildren wrote:

Thanks for your SJW efforts. I don't disagree with you, but feel like the efforts not to "blame the victim" stops discussion of how it might have been avoided. Not related to this story, but a woman wearing a very revealing dress to a party doesn't mean she deserves to be raped, but it plays a role.

parents need to teach their children personal responsiblity, that there is evil in the world and you cant be naive and put yourself in vulnerable places with obviously bad people. She apparently realized this, but too late.

Same thing with Natalle Holloways disappearance in 2005 in Aruba. A 16 year old drinking alone in a bar at 2 a.m. In a foreign country? Is that not risky behavior?

Its not blaming the victim SJWs, its about being aware of lifes realities and taking personal responsibility.

You guys are pathetic.

RIP Lauren.

Very sad wrote:

I in no way blame her but we should always discuss things after the fact in order to try to avoid them in the future. I don’t run through bad neighborhoods or areas inhabited by dangerous animals or on busy roads. I don’t deserve to be injured but everyone on this site would declare it my fault if I was.

Then let's also discus how our society and penal system have let down Melvin Rowland. That's right, say his name MFers. He was adopted by an older couple. He was put in a group home after they died. He was pushed into a shockingly white community. He attended college so had some reasonably functioning cognition and self-control. He was imprisoned and not rehabilitated. He was able to get a gun easily. As for the racist as$es presuming him a slob and a brute, if not a mushmouthed thug, in the mug shot he's wearing a button-down shirt and a navy blazer and is apparently kempt.

He was a bouncer at a bar. 6'3" 250 lbs and jacked. A real victim and sooo misunderstood.

Stop spreading fake news you hear on fox. Chicago's did have strict gun laws but they were struck down many years ago by the Supreme court. Nearby towns like Gary provided all the guns they needed anyway. Chicago has nowhere near the highest murder rate. It has the most murders but is the fourth biggest city in the coutry so it will be near the top in overall murders.