milermb wrote:
Unless they are doping while in the US surely this is evidence that there is something to the idea of African superiority?
They don't have to dope while in the US. They go back to Kenya.
Those Kenyans only recently won a few events, coming from mediocrity. It is suspicious. Now they are already dropping in the ranks because of fear of getting caught. Only Kenyan still relevant is Chelimo, and he's not as good as he was a year ago.
bmxmiler wrote:
milermb wrote:
Unless they are doping while in the US surely this is evidence that there is something to the idea of African superiority?
They don't have to dope while in the US. They go back to Kenya.
Those Kenyans only recently won a few events, coming from mediocrity. It is suspicious. Now they are already dropping in the ranks because of fear of getting caught. Only Kenyan still relevant is Chelimo, and he's not as good as he was a year ago.
They don't have to dope while in the US. They go back to Kenya.
Those Robertsons only recently won a few events, coming from mediocrity. It is suspicious. Now they are already dropping in the ranks because of fear of getting caught. Only Kiwi still relevant is Jake, and he's not as good as he was a year ago.
haha. What does East African distance running superiority mean when 100% of the runners are doped and they have 100% of their best potential runners running vs 0%-50% of runners from different parts of the world doped and who only have perhaps 10% of their best potential runners actually running? Remember, anyone from all of N. America, Europe and most of Asia don't need running success to survive.
Or maybe Chris Froome proves that white guys are simply better aerobic and endurance athletes than native Kenyans.
Chris Froome is a bad example. Froome is obvious cheat.
Coevett wrote:
You’re a muppet wrote:
You’re probably not an actual coach. Definitely a racist though.
There are a plethora of studies highlighting the reasons East Africans enjoy distance running success. Maybe try and read a few peer reviewed articles rather than blaming EPO to fuel your racism.
Lol. Only on this board can you be accused of racism for denying the genetic superiority of one race over another.
For sure it is racism. East african highlanders OBVIOUSLY are extremely well-suited for distance running.
It is much more normal for a kenyan to have the right body for running distances. They are born higher above sea-level and will have generally better lung capasity because of that. Here at sea level you will have to relay on having the right genes instead.
White people are a genetic cross between east-and westafricans (+some mutations) and therefor often have a mix between sprinting and endurance genes and fibers.
I believe that in the future we will have muscular runners with actn3 xx that can beat kenyans but they need untratitional running training
Fo wrote:
It is much more normal for a kenyan to have the right body for running distances. They are born higher above sea-level and will have generally better lung capasity because of that. Here at sea level you will have to relay on having the right genes instead.
White people are a genetic cross between east-and westafricans (+some mutations) and therefor often have a mix between sprinting and endurance genes and fibers.
I believe that in the future we will have muscular runners with actn3 xx that can beat kenyans but they need untratitional running training
Whites have nothing to do with east and west africans. Epo usage is the only advantage eadt africans have.
Kenya certainly has a doping problem. Their federation has got to get a better handle on this. However only a small percentage of Kenyan runners are doping and the majority are clean. Kenya is a superior running nation over the U.S. in every way. They produce better results, their athletes are more committed and simply work harder than most U.S. elites. Do not allow Kenya's doping issues to justify our mediocrity.
Kenya destroys the western countries in terms of depth (eg number of runners who can break 15 minutes in a 5k) but that's solely based on the fact that running is a much bigger deal in Kenya and they tend to be leaner. There is simply no evidence pointing to a higher performance ceiling. You'd have to be a fool to believe that doping hasn't been a huge contributing factor to their top end success.
olyrun wrote:
Kenya certainly has a doping problem. Their federation has got to get a better handle on this. However only a small percentage of Kenyan runners are doping and the majority are clean. Kenya is a superior running nation over the U.S. in every way. They produce better results, their athletes are more committed and simply work harder than most U.S. elites. Do not allow Kenya's doping issues to justify our mediocrity.
I'm just waiting for this doping mess to get sorted so I can watch the reaction of racists here when they start to realise Kenyans won't be falling off the running universe anytime soon and continue to dominate. Their last hope would be to ply the country with KFC which has already started in major cities.
Kenya and several other African nations have allowed many of their elite runners to use full doping regimens by virtue of gaping holes in their testing processes. When these are finally tightened up like elsewhere, they’ll be reduced to microdosing, inhalers, and other less blatant forms of doping, as currently practiced elsewhere around the world.
jeff tallon wrote:
yes,lots of epo,and low doses of cutting steroids.all the kenyans,ethiopians,ugandans,moroccans,algerians and eritreans are on something.theyre not micro dosing either,but rather theyre on strong doses,and they usually dont get caught.all elite athletes are on drug programs,no matter where theyre from,although ive noticed a lot of western and african countries can dope their athletes to the gills,and they never (or rarely)get caught.either the testing is inadequate,or something under handed, corrupt and foul is going on.i suspect its the latter.take one look at US sprinter ronnie baker,and youll see somethings not right.hes on huge doses of steroids,yet we're expected to believe hes "clean".
You’re like a doping encyclopedia.
El Keniano wrote:
olyrun wrote:
Kenya certainly has a doping problem. Their federation has got to get a better handle on this. However only a small percentage of Kenyan runners are doping and the majority are clean. Kenya is a superior running nation over the U.S. in every way. They produce better results, their athletes are more committed and simply work harder than most U.S. elites. Do not allow Kenya's doping issues to justify our mediocrity.
I'm just waiting for this doping mess to get sorted so I can watch the reaction of racists here when they start to realise Kenyans won't be falling off the running universe anytime soon and continue to dominate. Their last hope would be to ply the country with KFC which has already started in major cities.
I think they'll keep doing well, they'll also keep failing tests.
I don't think cheating is a big deal to a lot of these athletes because they only care about money.
Never took you for a endurance sport fan Clay Travis. Figured you were too doughy for that. They are all doping. It is pretty simple. The “racism” comes in when whites on this forum think it’s only the East Africans doping and blindly believe NOP and BTC to be clean.
Listening to Tyler Hamilton, Armstrong and just the first part of Icarus refute your claims. Armstrong may not have hit atronomical watts but what he could sustain for longer periods, day after day was enhanced.
Gjk wrote:
Fo wrote:
It is much more normal for a kenyan to have the right body for running distances. They are born higher above sea-level and will have generally better lung capasity because of that. Here at sea level you will have to relay on having the right genes instead.
White people are a genetic cross between east-and westafricans (+some mutations) and therefor often have a mix between sprinting and endurance genes and fibers.
I believe that in the future we will have muscular runners with actn3 xx that can beat kenyans but they need untratitional running training
Whites have nothing to do with east and west africans. Epo usage is the only advantage eadt africans have.
Whites descend from the same ancestors as the Africans. The Africans are reasonably unmixed, so they’re still genetically similar to those ancestors.
It's a complicated situation of which I am an expert despite zero formal qualifications. What I say below should be taken as the correct opinion:
1. Average elite Kenyans have more natural ability than average elites of European ancestry.
2. Average elite Kenyans have more mental willpower and desire to win than average elites of European ancestry.
3. The very top Europeans have more natural ability than the very best Kenyans, mostly.
4. The very top Europeans have more mental willpower and desire to win than average Kenyan elites.
Not only EPO wrote:
Add in the legit advantage from running so much from a young age, and absurd numbers of people training professionally, and it'd be amazing if they weren't dominating.
Then why did Kiprop need to take EPO.
I'd agree they would probably still dominate in terms of numbers running good times. As an example I think they have a lot running around 3:30 but not much faster. If the works leading times were more realistic it would actually raise European times.
JonO. wrote:
EPO is not a performance enhancer, nor is any type of blood boosting.
We have bioenergetic limits due to heat production, thermoregulatory limits, which can't be exceeded. by training or with drugs. This is actually basic physiology. But you won't find any physiologist on this website who either knows this or cares.
As I have pointed out many times, but people don't want to hear it, Lance Armstrong's power outputs were in the normal range for an elite cyclist regardless of how much doping he did. They want to believe in magic potions giving super human power. It's like the belief that alchohol makes you happy, it's social conditioning, a construct.
The power outputs attributed to EPO doped cyclists has been greatly exaggerated, because people want a mythology. But there are millions of data points showing the reality that all of the hype about so called PEDs is just hype and mythologising.
But that's what people want; a mythology.
Who here really belives that any young Kenyan showing great ability really needs any drugs to be world class?
Do you really think the team didn't test the improvement EPO have to Armstrong. They would really keep giving him EPO if it didn't improve him. Ridiculous
El Keniano wrote:
olyrun wrote:
Kenya certainly has a doping problem. Their federation has got to get a better handle on this. However only a small percentage of Kenyan runners are doping and the majority are clean. Kenya is a superior running nation over the U.S. in every way. They produce better results, their athletes are more committed and simply work harder than most U.S. elites. Do not allow Kenya's doping issues to justify our mediocrity.
I'm just waiting for this doping mess to get sorted so I can watch the reaction of racists here when they start to realise Kenyans won't be falling off the running universe anytime soon and continue to dominate. Their last hope would be to ply the country with KFC which has already started in major cities.
You're a loon. You're seriously suggesting that white people are deliberately opening fast food restaurants in your country in order to stop your athletes dominating athletics? And you say this immediately after claiming that it is racist to suspect that Kenyan runners will stop dominating if they finally are forced to stop doping?