Not sure Lyles will be as fast when USADA finally gets around to testing him.
(Not saying the tattooed Turk is cleaner)
Not sure Lyles will be as fast when USADA finally gets around to testing him.
(Not saying the tattooed Turk is cleaner)
Hardloper wrote:
Barely Lost wrote:
A loss is a loss.
You are trying to apply, and failing, the NOP excuse for losing races--rust buster, meaningless race, weather did not cooperate, could not draft off unwilling runners, pollen count too high, etc.
A gold medal is a gold medal and Guliyev has one more than Lyles!
meh.
Guliyev is quick but that gold was a fluke.
Down year, weird conditions, slowest winning time in almost 15 years. No Bolt, no Gatlin, sick Makwala. Niekerk not quite the prodigy at 200 we thought he would be (still not even in the top 25 all time?). DeGrasse injured.
A one-off 19.76 is great, but Lyles is showing the kind of poise and dominance that will put him amongst the all-time greats if he can maintain it.
This is the show-me sport. If Guliyev pulls another global title, I'll happily eat my words, but I'm not betting on it.
Hardloper wrote:
Age 20 wrote:
At age 20 Cento's Gold medal counts was ZERO.
I thought you didn't like the "NOP excuses"!
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I am familiar with some "NOP" excuses, as you call them. Is being to young one of them? I have not heard that one before.
Age 20 wrote:
Hardloper wrote:
I thought you didn't like the "NOP excuses"!
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I am familiar with some "NOP" excuses, as you call them. Is being to young one of them? I have not heard that one before.
Hardloper Ed is a moron. Don't pay attention to him.
Guliyev is one the greatest juniors of all time. Went through a rough patch when his dad/coach died then Turkey taking a long time admitting him.
Why is nobody talking about the fact that the guy in last place today ran a 20.3 when the winner in the African champs ran a 20.46. What gives?
Mehhhhh wrote:
meh.
Guliyev is quick but that gold was a fluke.
Down year, weird conditions, slowest winning time in almost 15 years. No Bolt, no Gatlin, sick Makwala. Niekerk not quite the prodigy at 200 we thought he would be (still not even in the top 25 all time?). DeGrasse injured.
A one-off 19.76 is great, but Lyles is showing the kind of poise and dominance that will put him amongst the all-time greats if he can maintain it.
This is the show-me sport. If Guliyev pulls another global title, I'll happily eat my words, but I'm not betting on it.
I wouldn't either but the original post said anything less than gold will be a disappointment. That is true, because if you already have a gold and a fast PR, you're not going to be thrilled with a silver next time.
I do think Lyles just might be clean.
His father was a National caliber 400m man, his brother a good sprinter and he was fast running great times as just a kid. I do see simply normal progressions here.
Mehhhhh wrote:
Hardloper wrote:
A gold medal is a gold medal and Guliyev has one more than Lyles!
meh.
Guliyev is quick but that gold was a fluke.
Down year, weird conditions, slowest winning time in almost 15 years. No Bolt, no Gatlin, sick Makwala. Niekerk not quite the prodigy at 200 we thought he would be (still not even in the top 25 all time?). DeGrasse injured.
A one-off 19.76 is great, but Lyles is showing the kind of poise and dominance that will put him amongst the all-time greats if he can maintain it.
This is the show-me sport. If Guliyev pulls another global title, I'll happily eat my words, but I'm not betting on it.
You nailed it.
I have no doubts DeGrasse wins if he'd ran.
Something else wrote:
Whatley wrote:
And in 2017 a recovering Noah Lyles beat the World Champion Guliyev 20.00 to 20.02 in Brussels. Which was the fastest time Guliyev ran in 2017. Lyles had a 19.90 and only ran 4 races,
As far as I know it's Lyles 2-0 over Guliyev.
Lyles has ran more fast 200 times.
You mean he barely nipped Guliyev in a meaningless race? Genius!
The DL with a bunch of money and a bye to the 2019 WC on the line is meaningless? That's an odd interpretation.
We saw Guliyev run a SB there, so at his fastest he got beat by a guy in his 4th race of the season.
This isn't a ho hum, yep, you got it.
Galatchin wrote:
Why is nobody talking about the fact that the guy in last place today ran a 20.3 when the winner in the African champs ran a 20.46. What gives?
Have you seen the track used to run there. Somebody posted pictures, it is not even Flat. the very same winner ran a 20 flat at a college meet a few weeks ago.
The winner of 100m ran a 10"25 but as a 9"89pb ran in Europe.
The track is not flat wrote:
Galatchin wrote:
Why is nobody talking about the fact that the guy in last place today ran a 20.3 when the winner in the African champs ran a 20.46. What gives?
Have you seen the track used to run there. Somebody posted pictures, it is not even Flat. the very same winner ran a 20 flat at a college meet a few weeks ago.
The winner of 100m ran a 10"25 but as a 9"89pb ran in Europe.
Awful facilities and horrific meet organization, combined with oppressive heat and humidity, are what prevented the continents stars from shining. It was several notches below what we see the same athletes do on the international circuit.
Gold trumps air.....
A gold won with the most worthy contenders missing and another contender doing a double is like fools gold.
Ramil is 0-3 against Lyles, bottom line, no matter how you slice it.
Give Lyles this track and he's going 19.5mid.
Reality is... wrote:
A gold won with the most worthy contenders missing and another contender doing a double is like fools gold.
Ramil is 0-3 against Lyles, bottom line, no matter how you slice it.
Give Lyles this track and he's going 19.5mid.
Wait Lyles is 3-0 against Guliyev now? It's going up by the minute!
Lyles ran the 19.65 in perfect conditions on one of the fastest tracks on the planet (besides Claremont).
I don't think he goes under 19.7 in Berlin in the hot and oppressive conditions they ran in.
Lyles has superior sprint speed and has ran mid 45 4x4 splits. He has ran sub 20.00 more times, has a faster PR and owns the head to head. I see nothing that favors Guliyev.
reality is also... wrote:
Reality is... wrote:
A gold won with the most worthy contenders missing and another contender doing a double is like fools gold.
Ramil is 0-3 against Lyles, bottom line, no matter how you slice it.
Give Lyles this track and he's going 19.5mid.
Wait Lyles is 3-0 against Guliyev now? It's going up by the minute!
Lyles ran the 19.65 in perfect conditions on one of the fastest tracks on the planet (besides Claremont).
I don't think he goes under 19.7 in Berlin in the hot and oppressive conditions they ran in.
Brussels DL 17, Eugene 18 and Monaco 18 makes that 3-0. Keep up
It was around 80 degrees at race time, not as oppressive as you claim. The humidity was 85% and humidity has been shown to be favorable for the sprints.
Monaco in past years has had better weather for sprinter. This year was good but not particularly perfect as you put it.
You're trying to put Ramil on par with Lyles and it doesn't add up. It is very reasonable to think Guliyev would have been outclassed( if Lyles were able to contest this race) because that what he's done this past season and a half.
Reality is... wrote:
reality is also... wrote:
Wait Lyles is 3-0 against Guliyev now? It's going up by the minute!
Lyles ran the 19.65 in perfect conditions on one of the fastest tracks on the planet (besides Claremont).
I don't think he goes under 19.7 in Berlin in the hot and oppressive conditions they ran in.
Brussels DL 17, Eugene 18 and Monaco 18 makes that 3-0. Keep up
It was around 80 degrees at race time, not as oppressive as you claim. The humidity was 85% and humidity has been shown to be favorable for the sprints.
Monaco in past years has had better weather for sprinter. This year was good but not particularly perfect as you put it.
You're trying to put Ramil on par with Lyles and it doesn't add up. It is very reasonable to think Guliyev would have been outclassed( if Lyles were able to contest this race) because that what he's done this past season and a half.
3-0? What's that? As if Ramil cared what he ran while he was healing and building up to the Euros!
Basically it's like this:
Major international wins:
Guliyev: 2 Lyles: 0
Champs matter not chumps wrote:
Reality is... wrote:
Brussels DL 17, Eugene 18 and Monaco 18 makes that 3-0. Keep up
It was around 80 degrees at race time, not as oppressive as you claim. The humidity was 85% and humidity has been shown to be favorable for the sprints.
Monaco in past years has had better weather for sprinter. This year was good but not particularly perfect as you put it.
You're trying to put Ramil on par with Lyles and it doesn't add up. It is very reasonable to think Guliyev would have been outclassed( if Lyles were able to contest this race) because that what he's done this past season and a half.
3-0? What's that? As if Ramil cared what he ran while he was healing and building up to the Euros!
Basically it's like this:
Major international wins:
Guliyev: 2 Lyles: 0
Then there is real life.
Everytime Guliyev has faced Lyles he has lost.
Lyles has a faster PR
Lyles more sub 20.00's
Guliyev got real lucky DeGrasse wasn't there at the World Champs in 2017.