running commenter wrote:
NRF wrote:
With pros.....
Exactly.
Ergo, Jim Ryun owns the mile best time for a high schooler.
running commenter wrote:
NRF wrote:
With pros.....
Exactly.
Ergo, Jim Ryun owns the mile best time for a high schooler.
Interesting that the "burnout" rate for female high school phenoms in the distance events is extremely high, whereas for the males it's an excellent prediction of future success.
Looking at this data, it's extremely risky to waste a scholarship on a sub-10 3200 female high school runner.
As is done with age-graded times for masters, I wish there was a way to body-composition-grade times for everyone, male or female, old or young.
She just ran 4:45 in the mile this morning
It’s hard to compare males and females. For males your basically guaranteed to improve through your high school and collage career, while many females wouldn’t even improve after their freshman year in high school. You see it all the time a phenomenal freshman girl comes in and blows out these crazy times (she has also usually run before freshman year) and wins state. Yeah she might be good for the next 4 years but she doesn’t improve that much or gets worse. Many females slow down anywhere from 6th grade and up, especially if they go to hard. It is especially common in runners who have a background in running before freshman year. A lot of there bodies can’t handle all out racing for so many years when they are still growing. I think Touhy is playing it on the smarter side. Sure she still wants some individual accomplishments, but she basically all out faces just enough to be good. In cross she would usually have about 1 race each week but she would be treating most as workouts And maybe having 1 of them as an race. In track she seems to be slowing down from indoor,.. (I think her coach is taking precaution in that even racing is hard on your body no matter the effort).
Tuohy with the Loucks double at mile and 3200.
PrZ wrote:
missouri boi wrote:
emily sisson ran an unofficial 9:50 while still in high school as well, currently having a great pro career.
Prove it.
ill see if i can find the video, would've been in 2010. only thing popping up off first search is this thread referencing it
http://www.letsrun.com/forum/flat_read.php?thread=4420776missouri boi wrote:
PrZ wrote:
Prove it.
ill see if i can find the video, would've been in 2010. only thing popping up off first search is this thread referencing it
http://www.letsrun.com/forum/flat_read.php?thread=4420776
only thing i can seem to find is this final shot of her last 100m. im guessing the full video got taken down at some point
http://mo.milesplit.com/videos/11706missouri boi wrote:
emily sisson ran an unofficial 9:50 while still in high school as well, currently having a great pro career.
Sisson's wiki says 9:53 but no citation. She did run 15:48 at World Juniors her summer of graduation (age 18) to surpass Huddle's AJR, so that buttresses the teen-to-pro narrative.
missouri boi wrote:
missouri boi wrote:
ill see if i can find the video, would've been in 2010. only thing popping up off first search is this thread referencing it
http://www.letsrun.com/forum/flat_read.php?thread=4420776only thing i can seem to find is this final shot of her last 100m. im guessing the full video got taken down at some point
http://mo.milesplit.com/videos/11706
Posted without seeing this. Shades of Katelynne Hart!
Rapunzel wrote:
I don't know the history of Track well enough to judge the post-collegiate success of those listed here, but sub-10 for a female in high school seems to correlate well with being done running within a few years of their high school 3200 PR.
3000 METERS
9:00.16i *Alexa Efraimson (Camas, Washington) 2014
9:00.62 Katie Rainsberger (Air Academy, Air Force Academy, Colorado) 2016
9:02.10i *Mary Cain (Bronxville, New York) 2013
9:04.51i ————*Cain 2013
9:05.26i **Katelyn Tuohy (North Rockland, Thiells, New York) 2018
9:08.6 Lynn Bjorklund (Los Alamos, New Mexico) 1975
9:10.51 *Kate Murphy (Lake Braddock, Burke, Virginia) 2016
9:10.6 ————Bjorklund 1975
9:11.60 ————Rainsberger 2016
9:11.80 Cory Schubert (Del Mar, San José, California) 1983
**10 performances by 7 performers**
9:13.56 Mary Shea (Gibbons, Raleigh, North Carolina) 1979
9:13.57 Aisling Cuffe (Cornwall, New Windsor, New York) 2011
9:14.5 Kim Mortensen (Thousand Oaks, California) 1996
2 MILES
9:38.68i *Mary Cain (Bronxville, New York) 2013
9:51.35 Brie Oakley (Grandview, Centennial, Colorado) 2017
9:52.01+ Kim Mortensen (Thousand Oaks, California) 1996
9:53.54 Bethan Knights’ (Northwood, Irvine, California) 2014
9:54.22 Aisling Cuffe (Cornwall, New Windsor, New York) 2011
9:55.05 **Hannah DeBalsi (Staples, Westport, Connecticut) 2014
9:55.46 **Katelynne Hart (Glenbard West, Glen Ellyn, Illinois) 2018
9:55.57+ *Jordan Hasay (Mission, San Luis Obispo, California) 2008
9:55.92i Melody Fairchild (Boulder, Colorado) 1991
9:55.95+ Laurynne Chetelat (Davis, California) 2008
**10 performances by 10 performers**
Combined 3000/3200/2M list (expressed as 2M):
9:38.68i *Cain 2013
9:43.38+i *Efraimson 2014
9:43.87+ Rainsberger 2016
9:48.89+ **Tuohy 2018
9:51.35 Oakley 2017
9:52.01+ Mortensen 1996
9:52.5+ Bjorklund 1975
9:53.54 Knights’ 2014
9:54.22 Cuffe 2011
9:54.56+ *Murphy 2016
https://trackandfieldnews.com/tfn-lists/high-school-all-time-top-10s-girls/
M. Huddle ran 10:01.08 (former national record?) for the full 2mi basically solo in 2002 ... She has turned out just fine.
One thing to remember is that Katelyn is 15 years old and will not be 16 until August.
Jzs wrote:
Rapunzel wrote:
I don't know the history of Track well enough to judge the post-collegiate success of those listed here, but sub-10 for a female in high school seems to correlate well with being done running within a few years of their high school 3200 PR.
3000 METERS
9:00.16i *Alexa Efraimson (Camas, Washington) 2014
9:00.62 Katie Rainsberger (Air Academy, Air Force Academy, Colorado) 2016
9:02.10i *Mary Cain (Bronxville, New York) 2013
9:04.51i ————*Cain 2013
9:05.26i **Katelyn Tuohy (North Rockland, Thiells, New York) 2018
9:08.6 Lynn Bjorklund (Los Alamos, New Mexico) 1975
9:10.51 *Kate Murphy (Lake Braddock, Burke, Virginia) 2016
9:10.6 ————Bjorklund 1975
9:11.60 ————Rainsberger 2016
9:11.80 Cory Schubert (Del Mar, San José, California) 1983
**10 performances by 7 performers**
9:13.56 Mary Shea (Gibbons, Raleigh, North Carolina) 1979
9:13.57 Aisling Cuffe (Cornwall, New Windsor, New York) 2011
9:14.5 Kim Mortensen (Thousand Oaks, California) 1996
2 MILES
9:38.68i *Mary Cain (Bronxville, New York) 2013
9:51.35 Brie Oakley (Grandview, Centennial, Colorado) 2017
9:52.01+ Kim Mortensen (Thousand Oaks, California) 1996
9:53.54 Bethan Knights’ (Northwood, Irvine, California) 2014
9:54.22 Aisling Cuffe (Cornwall, New Windsor, New York) 2011
9:55.05 **Hannah DeBalsi (Staples, Westport, Connecticut) 2014
9:55.46 **Katelynne Hart (Glenbard West, Glen Ellyn, Illinois) 2018
9:55.57+ *Jordan Hasay (Mission, San Luis Obispo, California) 2008
9:55.92i Melody Fairchild (Boulder, Colorado) 1991
9:55.95+ Laurynne Chetelat (Davis, California) 2008
**10 performances by 10 performers**
Combined 3000/3200/2M list (expressed as 2M):
9:38.68i *Cain 2013
9:43.38+i *Efraimson 2014
9:43.87+ Rainsberger 2016
9:48.89+ **Tuohy 2018
9:51.35 Oakley 2017
9:52.01+ Mortensen 1996
9:52.5+ Bjorklund 1975
9:53.54 Knights’ 2014
9:54.22 Cuffe 2011
9:54.56+ *Murphy 2016
https://trackandfieldnews.com/tfn-lists/high-school-all-time-top-10s-girls/M. Huddle ran 10:01.08 (former national record?) for the full 2mi basically solo in 2002 ... She has turned out just fine.
Lesson to HS girl distance runners: head to Providence!
Hansel. wrote:
As is done with age-graded times for masters, I wish there was a way to body-composition-grade times for everyone, male or female, old or young.
This might be the most fcked-up post in the history of this sad message board.
Kind of predictable for anyone who puts stock in the joke that is "age grading."
Ergo wrote:
Ergo, Jim Ryun owns the mile best time for a high schooler.
What does that have to do with girls and 3200 meters?
A 10th grade girl running 15:37 and 9:47 with zero competition? Guys come on, her coach or someone else is giving this girl PED's. Even Webb and Ryun needed competition to bring out their best. This is not legit. Sad.
30:45X-C1978 wrote:
Can’t even read 15 seconds of this string without those aggravating pop up video ads!
This new plague of magically expanding in line ads has got to stop. This site is unuseable.
Hansel. wrote:
Looking at this data, it's extremely risky to waste a scholarship on a sub-10 3200 female high school runner.
How in the world do you get that - many of them may not have reached the heights others expected but like 90% of the runners in that list either would have been all American had they not gone pro, were All American, or haven’t finished college (or started) - I doubt there are many college coaches that would not give a scholarship to a runner with a 80-90% chance of AA. Do you think that someone who runs 10:20 has better odds?
At the Loucks Games... wrote:
Chmiel in 2nd 40 seconds behind.
http://www.leonetiming.com/2018/Outdoor/Loucks/
And Chmiel beat Claudia Lane by how much in their head to head .
treats wrote:
A 10th grade girl running 15:37 and 9:47 with zero competition? Guys come on, her coach or someone else is giving this girl PED's. Even Webb and Ryun needed competition to bring out their best. This is not legit. Sad.
Lol. Take it EZ, troll.
