17 yr Jakob Ingebrigtsen closes in 55, runs 3:39 & LRC goes nuts. 17 yr George Manangoi closes in 55, runs 3:35 and silence

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El Keniano wrote:

Thanks for this, Wejo. I honestly didn't think you had it in you.

Links to old man George for the doubters.

https://www.iaaf.org/athletes/kenya/george-meitamei-manangoi-320934https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N7Jl2-zA7BI

He looks like a 27 yr old, at the least.

wejo wrote:

Last night 17 year old Jakob Ingebrigtsen of the great Ingebrigtsen (3 world class runners) running family closed in 55.23 to win the Stanford meet in 3:39.06. He rightfully got a lot of attention and discussion on here.

Today in Doha 17 year old George Manangoi of the great Manangoi running family (2 world class runners) closed in roughly 55.5 in a much faster 3:35.53 to race to get second. (If someone knows the FAT split let us know) and it's barely gotten any discussion. Unfair? Racist? Or totally fair because of the age cheating in the past in Kenya?

http://www.letsrun.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/05/Screenshot-2018-05-04-at-12.07.26.png

kenya numbers about age are useless. next.

wejo wrote:

Last night 17 year old Jakob Ingebrigtsen of the great Ingebrigtsen (3 world class runners) running family closed in 55.23 to win the Stanford meet in 3:39.06. He rightfully got a lot of attention and discussion on here.

Today in Doha 17 year old George Manangoi of the great Manangoi running family (2 world class runners) closed in roughly 55.5 in a much faster 3:35.53 to race to get second. (If someone knows the FAT split let us know) and it's barely gotten any discussion. Unfair? Racist? Or totally fair because of the age cheating in the past in Kenya?

Hey remember when Norway had a systemic doping programme, and a bunch of "teenagers" who turned out to be both 25 and doped to the dorsals?

No? Well, there's your answer.

This Ingebrigtsen kid is legit.

Baby Manangoi is likely as fraudulent as big bro.

Because people expect Kenyans to run that fast and beat America's heroes.

Now a skinny little Norwegian boy, not so much.

Maybe all the countries really do add or subtract 7 years. Who knows how old they are.

Maybe wr should only count at 50 years of age.

Hardloper wrote:

The Dingo^3 wrote:

+1

Within the last 5-6 years:

Isaiah Koech ran 12:53 INDOOR as a 17 year old

Hagos ran 7:32 and 12:47 as an 18 year old

Kejelcha ran 12:53 as an 18 year old

Those three were lauded as being the next big threats to Bekele's WRs. Hagos and Kejelcha are still competitive though certainly not the world beaters everyone thought they would be, and I don't think Koech is even on the circuit anymore.

A random Norwegian (or any non-African country) running that type of time at 17 is much rarer. That's why it's being talked about more.

Honestly this, and I remember LRC going "nuts" for all 3 of those runners. Kenya may have modernized to the point where everyone is born in a hospital with a proper birth certificate. But, still hard to get excited about these performances given the past.

More like because you wish they didn't exist. What about George, in high school, makes you think he could be 25? And what would that make Elijah?

sbeefyk2 wrote:

El Keniano wrote:

They'll be competing for the minor placings. Kenya's next great 1500m hope isn't even George, but 18-year-old Justus Soget who's run 3:32.

https://www.nation.co.ke/sports/athletics/Kenya-Justus-Soget-back-to-rousing-reception/1100-4330890-13fhnoj/index.html

Check the results and get back to us, k? Manangoi beat Soget in the same race. So, as it stands Manangoi has the advantage.

Yes, but in Kenya, Soget is seen as the bigger talent. Manangoi specialises in the 1500m and Soget runs a whole bunch of distances. Remember, he beat Paul Chelimo in that indoor 3k.

El Keniano wrote:

More like because you wish they didn't exist. What about George, in high school, makes you think he could be 25? And what would that make Elijah?

Unlike some I'm willing to believe those guys' ages, but do you really deny that many East Africans in the past were much older than the age on their passport?

Hydlide wrote:

Hey remember when Norway had a systemic doping programme, and a bunch of "teenagers" who turned out to be both 25 and doped to the dorsals?

1) Yes, in the 2018 Winter Olympics they arrived with 6000 doses of asthma medicine. Their XC skiing team is in fact notorious, but I'm sure in athletics they're all clean.

2) Kenya does not have a systematic doping program (Russia did). Testing has historically been quite bad, but it's improving.

El Keniano wrote:

Thanks for this, Wejo. I honestly didn't think you had it in you.

Links to old man George for the doubters.

https://www.iaaf.org/athletes/kenya/george-meitamei-manangoi-320934https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N7Jl2-zA7BI

If Wejo 'had it in him' he would have banned racists like you ages ago. Instead, he or his mods appears to actually delete posts and comments that praise non-African runners (I use that term because I honestly think 'white runners' is forbidden here). I suppose this thread can be interpreted as a warning.

1/ Jakob won.

2/ He beat the reigning Olympic champion, the first time a High school kid has done that since Ryun? And a year younger than Ryun when he beat Snell.

3/ This sport is truly dead if the webmaster of the leading running forum thinks the most important issue this week is whether we are racist for praising Jakob's run.

Abdelaati Iguider ran 3:35.53 at age 17 in 2004. Same time. He was 6th in today's race.

https://www.iaaf.org/athletes/morocco/abdelaati-iguider-201943

Very doubtful he was an age cheat as he is still competing today 14 years later. Maybe, very slight chance he is something like 38 running 3:35-3:36

Not sure about the Kenyan - would like to see 14 years of performances from him.

In his IAAF profile pic he looks about 30.

https://www.iaaf.org/athletes/kenya/george-meitamei-manangoi-320934

The topic of this thread is shameful, but for a different reason. Reading between the lines, I guess we're supposed to feel "racist" that we do not care about George Manangoi from Kenya. Age questions and doping culture are not even needed to answer the question.

The fact is most of us at LRC are White males from the US or other European background. It is TOTALLY NATURAL to feel an affinity towards those that LOOK LIKE US. It is not racist to do so. No one (hopefully) is trying to suggest that Jakob is better or more interesting specifically because "white is better than black."

El Keniano and Native Son rightfully are interested in the East Africans because that is where they are from (unless I have somehow totally misunderstood them). They are doing exactly what most on LRC are doing, only in the opposite direction.

You can experience this in practice if you've ever travelled somewhere where you stand out due to how you look or perhaps big language barriers. I guarantee if you see someone that looks like you or speaks your language, you will automatically gravitate to them even if in "normal life", you would not have given them a second glance.

I was watching the world snooker championships, which are nearly always won by British players, but this year a Chinese player reached the semifinals. I rooted for him, simply because it would make it more interesting to have a Chinese champion. However, given that 100 million Chinese apparently now play snooker, in twenty years time, the top 100 players will likely nearly all be from China. I guess if that happens, I might be cheering on British players again.

Why should Europeans/Americans be ashamed at wanting to have somebody of their own culture and dare I say it 'race', after so many years or decades of domination from 2 or 3 African countries?

Meanwhile, El Kenio can repatedly denigrate white runners and constantly talk up his fellow Kenyans and it's seen as normal.

It really is because a white teen prodigy who is beating the best in the world is incredibly rare. Even Cram and Williamson were unable to do this.

Meanwhile several Africans have been World Champions at 18 or beat the reigning champ at that age. It is no longer worthy of note.

Of course some of them randomly gain a couple of years later on and nobody seems to notice.

Hardloper wrote:

El Keniano wrote:

More like because you wish they didn't exist. What about George, in high school, makes you think he could be 25? And what would that make Elijah?

Unlike some I'm willing to believe those guys' ages, but do you really deny that many East Africans in the past were much older than the age on their passport?

"Many"? What does that even mean? 70% -80%? Truth is, we've had nothing more than a handful. That's all. And this isn't about the few who cheated but George Manangoi. Again, what is it about him that makes you think he could be in his 20s?

whitish lack of power wrote:

It really is because a white teen prodigy who is beating the best in the world is incredibly rare. Even Cram and Williamson were unable to do this.

Meanwhile several Africans have been World Champions at 18 or beat the reigning champ at that age. It is no longer worthy of note.

Of course some of them randomly gain a couple of years later on and nobody seems to notice.

Africans do apparently develop physically a little faster than white teens too.

But the fact is, 17 year old Jakob has probably got a lot more improvement in him than this 17 year old Kenyan, whatever the reason for it. You just have to look at the progressions of the top juniors in previous years.

For example, the first year I took a cursory look at, and the 19 of the top 20 u18s for 1500m in 2010 were from 3 countries - Kenya, Ethiopia, and Morocco.

Second on the list was a quite typical 'progression' for a Kenyan supposed u18 :

GIDEON KIAGE MAGEKA

2009 age 15 : 3:36.37

2010 age 16 : 3:38.16

2011 age 17 : 3:41.50

2012 age 18 : 3:41.90

2014 age 20 : 3:50.36

The above Kenyan actually won the world youth championship 1500m in 2009 in 3:35 at '15 years of age', then went backwards every year.

And here is the 15 year old prodigy. You're right Wejo. We are complete and utter racists for getting a little more excited about Jakob than the latest Kenyan teen sensation.

http://www.zimbio.com/photos/Gideon+Kiage+Mageka/IAAF+World+Youth+Championships+Day+Five/5z8Efz_7SLY