16yo Aussie girl runs 2.00.81

steeple hottie wrote:

AussieOI wrote:

Do you think she will go to college in the US? Australia doesn’t seem to have many pathways

Um ... ever heard of Genevieve Lacaze?

Yes... and she went to Florida for college (aka the US).

TrackCoach wrote:

Karma Police wrote:

Pathways to what? That night Dani Stevens won the discus by about 7m. She’s a world champion. And Kurt Marschal won the PV after 4th in world indoors.

She could well get overtrained and ruined in the US.

Of course, she should not come to the U.S. because she will get overtrained and ruined, notwithstanding the fact that the U.S. has won nearly 1/3rd of the medals in global competitions.

I take it if this figure is correct, you are counting 400mH and shorter?

No way that holds for 800m-marathon.

Subway Surfers Addiction wrote:

TrackCoach wrote:

Of course, she should not come to the U.S. because she will get overtrained and ruined, notwithstanding the fact that the U.S. has won nearly 1/3rd of the medals in global competitions.

I take it if this figure is correct, you are counting 400mH and shorter?

No way that holds for 800m-marathon.

It does for nations who are subject to random OOC blood testing.

Not Ron's Daughter wrote:

Karma Police wrote:

Pathways to what? That night Dani Stevens won the discus by about 7m. She’s a world champion. And Kurt Marschal won the PV after 4th in world indoors.

She could well get overtrained and ruined in the US.

Um, ever hear of Georgie Clarke?

I never said she couldn't get overtrained in Australia too.

steeple hottie wrote:

AussieOI wrote:

Do you think she will go to college in the US? Australia doesn’t seem to have many pathways

Um ... ever heard of Genevieve Lacaze?

She ran for Florida Gators....

well,, wrote:

TrackCoach wrote:

Of course, she should not come to the U.S. because she will get overtrained and ruined, notwithstanding the fact that the U.S. has won nearly 1/3rd of the medals in global competitions.

Perhaps because the US has the biggest talent pool in the world.

The USA has all that Grade A beef, and turns it into hamburger.

crumpet wrote:

well,, wrote:

Perhaps because the US has the biggest talent pool in the world.

The USA has all that Grade A beef, and turns it into hamburger.

You talking about tainted steak?

AussieOI wrote:

Do you think she will go to college in the US? Australia doesn’t seem to have many pathways

Off the top of my head, here are the distance runners most commonly making Global teams over the last few years from Aus:

Ryan Gregson - Not NCAA

Luke Matthews - Not NCAA

Jo Deng - Not NCAA

Jeff Risely - Not NCAA

Alex Rowe - Not NCAA

Peter Bol - Not NCAA

Stuart McSweyn - Not NCAA

Ben St Lawrence - Not NCAA

Collis Birmingham - Not NCAA

Brett Robinson - Not NCAA

Pat Tiernan - NCAA

Dave McNeill - NCAA

Jordie Williamsz - NCAA

Morgan McDonald - NCAA

Brit McGowan - Not NCAA

Selma Kajan - Not NCAA

Georgie Griffiths - Not NCAA

Maddie Hills - Not NCAA

Vic Mitchell - Not NCAA

Eloise Wellings - Not NCAA

Celia Sullohern - Not NCAA

Linden Hall - NCAA

Zoe Buckman - NCAA

Gen Lacaze - NCAA

I'm not going to analyse this too deeply (how many people stay/go to NCAA, how good they were when they went, how much they improved post college) but it shows that the NCAA isn't the only way for an Australian to be good. Small seems to have a good setup at the moment that's working for her, and I'm sure she has a support network that will help her make the best decision not just for her running, but future in general.

No one is saying she needs to go to the ncaa, seems like her current setup is working why not stick with it. However, the insinuation that she would be ruined by the ncaa is laughable considering the volume of successful athletes that came through the ncaa

Someone just said that it appeared Australia doesn't have many pathways. I was pointing out that they must have some pathways, otherwise all of their athletes would be NCAA.

Subway Surfers Addiction wrote:

crumpet wrote:

The USA has all that Grade A beef, and turns it into hamburger.

You talking about tainted steak?

Nope, I am talking about grinding down talent.

all of this is mute as the word is she signed with nike after running 2:01 at 15 last year.

ezby wrote:

TrackCoach wrote:

No one is saying she needs to go to the ncaa, seems like her current setup is working why not stick with it. However, the insinuation that she would be ruined by the ncaa is laughable considering the volume of successful athletes that came through the ncaa

Someone just said that it appeared Australia doesn't have many pathways. I was pointing out that they must have some pathways, otherwise all of their athletes would be NCAA.

Australia doesn’t have many pathways - obviously that doesn’t mean ncaa is the only way or that everyone has done it/should do it, but Australia simply doesn’t have systems where large numbers of young talented people get great coaching, facilities and a degree. There also isn’t much competition when you are a standout compared to a country with over 10x as many people. showing the other athletes who didn’t train in the USA isnt particularly helpful as saying what they didn’t do doesn’t show what they did take. There are options but like I said many work full time and train on the side and unless they went with the AIS would have completed their degree if any also alone and without $. Also doesn’t show how many stopped doing sport and dropped out due to lack of pathway and we never hear of.

Anyway all moot as I had forgotten she’s with Nike.

Subway Surfers Addiction wrote:

Karma Police wrote:

So as a 15yo, a year ago, she turned heads with 2.01.49. She's now run 2.00.81 in the heats for the Commonwealth Games.

- 9th all time youth (U18)

- ranked 1 in the world in U18 and U20 this year

- Australian U18 and U20 record

- but 6th in the heat and not that close to making the final =11th overall). Had Semenya in her heat. 7th was a national record for Cyprus

1 RSA Caster SEMENYA 1:59.26 Q

2 ENG Alexandra BELL 2:00.11 PB Q

3 KEN Eglay NALYANYA 2:00.28 PB q

4 UGA Docus AJOK 2:00.53 q

5 NZL Angela PETTY 2:00.62

6 AUS Keely SMALL 2:00.81 PB

7 CYP Natalia EVANGELIDOU 2:01.77 NR

8 SRI Gayanthika ARTIGALA ABERATHNA 2:04.72

9 SLE Mariama CONTEH 2:16.57

Young developer perhaps, but her best distance will be longer distances, with all her talent she has no future in 800m with men. 1500m will be her event.

She's a terrible 1500m runner, doesn't even put in the slightest effort when the race is up for grabs.

NCAA is a great development system for Australians, with excellent education and racing opportunities.

The downside is most good young metropolitan based Australians, risk leaving perfect all year around training weather, excellent coaches and strong squads.

It's nice to have the option either way.

Vic Mitchell was an NCAA Champion while at Butler under Joe Franklin

i hope shes not just another teen phenom,who gets overtrained,and burnt out like georgie clarke was.some teen phenoms make it,like alyson felix or sally pearson,but usually they go the way of georgie clarke,mary cain,or high jumper eleanor patterson.now you see them.........now you dont.......i only hope shes not out of the sport,at age 20.

vegemite wrote:

all of this is mute as the word is she signed with nike after running 2:01 at 15 last year.

I hear the talk, don't you?

Subway Surfers Addiction wrote:

Young developer perhaps, but her best distance will be longer distances, with all her talent she has no future in 800m with men. 1500m will be her event.

Yep, w/o testicles there is no future for her in the 800.