Peter Elliot the last non-African male to attempt to break a mid/long distance record (1990)?

So basically all these great runners, who none of us are fit to breathe the same air as, were 'delusional' and didn't know what they were talking about, as compared to you and your fellow derrieres on this board?

Or maybe Elliott got injured and just wasn't able to fulfill the promise he showed in early 1990?

Here's Elliott giving the East Africans a drubbing at the Commonwealths in 1990 :

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oJqbJ6ak__o

Before EPO, the only way Africans could win titles was though bizarre circumstances or luck - such as facing peak Ryun at the only ever major race held at high altitude, or when Coe, Cram, Ovett, and Elliott were all injured or absent in 87 and 88.

Coevett wrote:

El Keniano wrote:

Inferior Brit got dusted by unknown Kenyan at the Seoul Olympics.

But the likes of Derierre don't have any problems with El Keniano and his constant blatant racism towards white runners.

Bit creepy really.

Oh, and Elliott was an injury wreck in Seoul and lost to a bum who got lucky on the day. Both him (Rono) and Ereng were probably juiced to the gills which would explain their one off performances.

El Keniano is a very fair man, seen him support Rupp than any of the white supremacy people here including you

And speaking of Rupp was his 3:50 indoors a WR attempt or even sub 3:50? Pretty close either way

Coevett wrote:

Here's Elliott giving the East Africans a drubbing at the Commonwealths in 1990 :

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oJqbJ6ak__o

Before EPO, the only way Africans could win titles was though bizarre circumstances or luck - such as facing peak Ryun at the only ever major race held at high altitude, or when Coe, Cram, Ovett, and Elliott were all injured or absent in 87 and 88.

Probably because

1) there wasn’t as many opportunities for Africans both competing and coaching, not to mention equipment and tracks

2) level playing field doping wise, brits had the advantage until EPO found its way outside of Britain

It is safe to say that Coevett struggles with the fact that when he watches races under his KKK sheet they often do not go as he hopes, not necessarily unlike when Jesse Owens upset Hitler.

Samuel DeChamplain wrote:

Coevett wrote:

Here's Elliott giving the East Africans a drubbing at the Commonwealths in 1990 :

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oJqbJ6ak__o

Before EPO, the only way Africans could win titles was though bizarre circumstances or luck - such as facing peak Ryun at the only ever major race held at high altitude, or when Coe, Cram, Ovett, and Elliott were all injured or absent in 87 and 88.

Probably because

1) there wasn’t as many opportunities for Africans both competing and coaching, not to mention equipment and tracks

2) level playing field doping wise, brits had the advantage until EPO found its way outside of Britain

Yeah, it's funny how the Brits decided not to use EPO evidently, as their times went backwards. At least you're admitting African success is entirely due to EPO.

Sheldon py wrote:

It is safe to say that Coevett struggles with the fact that when he watches races under his KKK sheet they often do not go as he hopes, not necessarily unlike when Jesse Owens upset Hitler.

It's safe to say that Sheldon py/derriere/Jeff Wigands etc. need to have a set of white sheets handy when they watch a race and their ebony epo fuelled heroes go exactly as hoped.

This forum is getting insane. Just full of creepy white suburban black supremacist apologists for African drug cheats. Can't even post anything about great white runners of the past without getting savaged by snowflake self-hating racists. Wouldn't be surprised if the Wojos introuduce a rule against even mentioning a non East African runner.

Coevett wrote

Better to have a misplaced sense of superiority than to creepily relish in a belief that you are inferior, even if it is justified in your case.

You really don't have a clue on this.

Coevett wrote:

This forum is getting insane. Just full of creepy white suburban black supremacist apologists for African drug cheats. Can't even post anything about great white runners of the past without getting savaged by snowflake self-hating racists. Wouldn't be surprised if the Wojos introuduce a rule against even mentioning a non East African runner.

Only in your own head.

Where were Mike Boit and Yifter in 1976?

Who won the 5000m and 10000m in Moscow?

Mohammed Kedir won world cross in 1982. Bekele Debele won it in 1983. John Ngugi won it in 1986, with East Africans taking silver and bronze. Kenya went 1-2 in 1987 and 1-2-3 in 1988.

East Africans have been doing just fine since 1960. If you can't see the talent that's there, relative to everywhere else in the world, that's your own fault.

Coevett wrote:

Sheldon py wrote:

It is safe to say that Coevett struggles with the fact that when he watches races under his KKK sheet they often do not go as he hopes, not necessarily unlike when Jesse Owens upset Hitler.

It's safe to say that Sheldon py/derriere/Jeff Wigands etc. need to have a set of white sheets handy when they watch a race and their ebony epo fuelled heroes go exactly as hoped.

According to you, because I don't look like Yuki Kawauchi and don't share his background, I can't appreciate his performances as an athlete.

Coevett wrote:

Samuel DeChamplain wrote:

Probably because

1) there wasn’t as many opportunities for Africans both competing and coaching, not to mention equipment and tracks

2) level playing field doping wise, brits had the advantage until EPO found its way outside of Britain

Yeah, it's funny how the Brits decided not to use EPO evidently, as their times went backwards. At least you're admitting African success is entirely due to EPO.

youre clearly so blind you couldn't see there were two points there, two, I'm real about running, I know there are drug cheats out there from everywhere. you on the other hand are just racist, youd do very well in a Nazi system.

let me guess Paula is clean, and also more talented that Turnish Dibaba?

I remember Elliott saying that he felt he was in the form to break Aouita's 1500WR in the form he was in when running that 1:42.97 in Madrid in May; although this quote was made in hindsight looking back on his career. I also seem to recall Walker saying something along the same lines. So, while I have no doubt the mile race was hyped as a WR attempt, I don't personally believe Elliott was capable of breaking Cram's 3:46.32 on that day, or indeed any other.

There were a fair few hyped 'record attempts' in the early 80's, usually involving Coe, Ovett, Cram or Aouita, and it was clear that in reality, this was just the promoters trying to whip up interest and spectator numbers. Some of course were legitimate, and a lot of this expectation was due to the many WR's set in 79 - 81 by Coe and Ovett, and then by Cram & Aouita in 85-87.

The thing about Elliott was that he aimed to peak in the Jan/Feb 1990 for the Commonwealth Games, and then managed to maintain that form as far as May and that 1:42.97 800m. I think I'm right in saying that he ran a world indoor record (3:34.20 for 1500m) in between. That was a mistake, as he then ran out of steam and became susceptible to injury by trying to keep his peak going throughout the European summer too.

I think that the 1:42.9 represented his absolute limit at 800m, as his official 400pb was only 48.2, although I believe he ran a 47 and bits in training. I also don't think his 1500 and mile potential went below 3:31.0 and 3:48.0, which while close to the WR's , were still a couple of seconds off.

While it is interesting to debate groups like 'non Africans', now that we are in an era where the Africans dominate, I think there are too many posts lately which veer towards being political. My own opinion, from a purely athletic/physiological point of view, is that Africans have a genetic advantage in the sprints and distance events. That is not to say that Europeans or those with Western/white heritage cannot compete with them, but they are fewer in terms of a percentage of the population.

I think that the area where there is less genetic advantage either way, are in the middle distances; 800m - 3000m.

I think it's an open playing field in these events, and during any era the most dominant athlete/s are as likely to be of European descent as African.

However, in the last 25 years or so, there has undoubtedly, in my opinion, been less transparent and robust testing of athletes from African nations than those in Europe/ the Americas, etc, for whatever reasons. I think that it is getting better and moving towards a level playing field, but I believe that more African athletes benefited from EPO use, especially in the late 90's, because of the lack of testing and the (predominantly white) doctors/coaches that saw a way of making a lot of money out of abusing this loop hole. There is also no doubt that athletes in Europe and the Americas were undergoing far more rigid and transparent testing for decades. Having said that, one of the worst nations for corruption of testing is white Russia, so all posters need to be careful when comparing athletes from different backgrounds and heritages, and not making generalisations that may be construed by other posters as being 'racist'.

I think that many posters are very frustrated that testing was not universally administered for many years, and the possible result of this was to deter many young athletes from continuing in a sport (and often going to other sports, like football) where they knew they simply could not compete. There has been rampant age cheating and limited drug testing in some countries for many years, and regardless of just how extensive that was/is, the perception from those in countries where there is no possibility to age cheat and where testing is thorough, will obviously be one of frustration and disdain. Over a period like 25 years, the 'myth' has emerged that white athletes cannot compete with black Africans in middle and distance events.

I think the IAAF under Coe is starting to get on top of things by having independent testers and making all countries compliant to equal random testing.

I hope many posters on this thread need to take a step back and chill. I think there are a lot of passionate posters whose comments are often taken out of context.

Coevett wrote:

He once accused somebody here of being a paedophile simply because that person mentioned he follows Jakob Ingebrigsten - the greatest 'white hope' for decades - on Instagram.

Whenever you make such a serious claim, you better be ready to back it up with a link to said post, not just for context, but also to explain to others why I wouldn't be banned from the board such an egregious smear. Do it or you're a liar.

And Samuel DeChamplain is right, I'm one of the few outright Galen Rupp supporters on this site.

Not sure if the marathon counts in your range of records but Fabian Roncero came close to Dinsamo's marathon world record in 1998 with a pretty much solo effort for 17/18km:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WlFIeJ1K_Gg

He was having to stop to stretch for cramps a few times over the last mile or two which probably cost him the record and thereby confirming Rekrunner's hypothesis that EPO does not work ...

You clearly implied that a poster is a paedophile, simply for rebutting some other poster's nasty claim that Jakob will end up sad and lonely). And yes you should be banned for life for that.

Coevett wrote:

portsea57 wrote:

A delusional John Walker also thought that Elliott was capable of breaking the mile record after Peter had ran the 1min 42sec 800m. Infact, Walker said that because Peter was in such great form, he really should have organised an attempt at the mile record shortly after his great 800m time.

So basically all these great runners, who none of us are fit to breathe the same air as, were 'delusional' and didn't know what they were talking about, as compared to you and your fellow derrieres on this board?

Or maybe Elliott got injured and just wasn't able to fulfill the promise he showed in early 1990?

I was trying to be ironic...too subtle, by far, I guess.

All of a sudden you want to suggest that Elliot's race was more distinguished somehow than Alan Webb's when Elliott finished second in a race that was won 2.4 seconds behind what Webb ran. Make no mistake about it: Alan Webb could have run 3:45 with better pacers and more of a race atmosphere.

Jim Ryun was not at his peak at the Olympics in Mexico City in 1968. He had had a case of mono and was recovering. 1967 was peak Ryun.