4:13.1 for full mile.
The 58.24 final lap is a HUGE flag for potential here.
4:13.1 for full mile.
The 58.24 final lap is a HUGE flag for potential here.
https://www.google.com/search?q=cruz+culpepper&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwi686m4j5faAhWMdd8KHRFKA1UQ_AUICygC&biw=1366&bih=637#imgrc=P0UCr_AvL4PjRMlovelybones wrote:
He's not being trained like a pro, his coach at Niwot high school probably doesn't have him do more than 25-30 miles a week. Kelly is good with coaching high school kids and Cruz is immensely talented. He in the past has cared more about tennis than running anyways.
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He looks Hispanic. Is that why they named him Cruz?
man I’m old wrote:
his mom was something back in the day.
pics?
Run007xx wrote:
I wouldn't get too excited. Just like Jakob, he's being trained like a pro at only 16 years old. So it just means that he's realising his peak potential earlier - and that there won't be a big step-up when he gets to college or pro. Doesn't mean he's going to be the next Bekele.
Ok, while others have pointed out that isn't the case (and that makes sense as all of the prominent runners I know who have talented kids whether it was Centrowitz, ratcliffe, schumacher didn't touch their kids training in HS), let's assume it was true.
Isn't that what people said about Rupp? Since Salazar was coaching him, he would't improve?
rojo wrote:
Run007xx wrote:
I wouldn't get too excited. Just like Jakob, he's being trained like a pro at only 16 years old. So it just means that he's realising his peak potential earlier - and that there won't be a big step-up when he gets to college or pro. Doesn't mean he's going to be the next Bekele.
Ok, while others have pointed out that isn't the case (and that makes sense as all of the prominent runners I know who have talented kids whether it was Centrowitz, ratcliffe, schumacher didn't touch their kids training in HS), let's assume it was true.
Isn't that what people said about Rupp? Since Salazar was coaching him, he would't improve?
The same "they won't improve" types claimed the same about Yuki K. What they cannot accept is that some top young runners have things more interesting to do than running as a career. A friend of mine was a state champion for the mile in high school. He really wasn't interested in hard training. He ran for a few years in college, and put all his focus on his degree, and then a master's degree. He is now the CEO of a medical services provider.
Well, I would take the CEO job (making over $500k) over a short career as a top runner. Others see it the other way. But most people have other goals in mind.
The kid who finished right behind him has legit genes from mom and dad too. Great to see these kids perform.
Great run, of course but ‘Cruz’? Cringe.
Run007xx wrote:
I wouldn't get too excited. Just like Jakob, he's being trained like a pro at only 16 years old. So it just means that he's realising his peak potential earlier - and that there won't be a big step-up when he gets to college or pro. Doesn't mean he's going to be the next Bekele.
Exactly. Sure the talent is a big factor, but when I was sixteen our team would do some jumping jacks and sit ups, jog/walk a half mile on the track, then coach would send us out on a run where we would spend most of the time running through the doors of restaurants or cutting the loop by about half. I think I ran 4:23 something that year.
Factchecker. wrote:
So 4:13+ for a mile.
Alan's PR through his Junior year (he ran a 3:51 for 1500 as a Senior) was 4:12 so not too shabby
Hayduke wrote:
Run007xx wrote:
I wouldn't get too excited. Just like Jakob, he's being trained like a pro at only 16 years old. So it just means that he's realising his peak potential earlier - and that there won't be a big step-up when he gets to college or pro. Doesn't mean he's going to be the next Bekele.
Exactly. Sure the talent is a big factor, but when I was sixteen our team would do some jumping jacks and sit ups, jog/walk a half mile on the track, then coach would send us out on a run where we would spend most of the time running through the doors of restaurants or cutting the loop by about half. I think I ran 4:23 something that year.
+10. My point exactly. I ran a 4:28 in high school off of no more than 15 miles a week of training... probably more like 10 miles a week in most weeks. Never ran in the off-season. My XC/Track coach was my history teacher.
When I got to college, my performance declined significantly initially, because I stepped up from 10 to 15 miles a week up to probably 70 to 90 miles per week. And ran in the off season. By spring track-season, I ran a 4:25 mile in warm-up(!) (Okay, I wasn't supposed to be warming up that hard, but I literally did it as a warm-up to a 12x400m work out - coach chewed me out for that but whatever).
So its not just slowing with age, its that he doesn't do drugs any more, is that right? What a bunch of CLOWNS we have on this board.
Spoil the rubes wrote:
[quote]Run007xx wrote:
At lease he's clean. Without drugs Bekele wouldn't have been Bekele. That's becoming more obvious with each passing year.
Run007xx wrote:
Hayduke wrote:
Exactly. Sure the talent is a big factor, but when I was sixteen our team would do some jumping jacks and sit ups, jog/walk a half mile on the track, then coach would send us out on a run where we would spend most of the time running through the doors of restaurants or cutting the loop by about half. I think I ran 4:23 something that year.
+10. My point exactly. I ran a 4:28 in high school off of no more than 15 miles a week of training... probably more like 10 miles a week in most weeks. Never ran in the off-season. My XC/Track coach was my history teacher.
When I got to college, my performance declined significantly initially, because I stepped up from 10 to 15 miles a week up to probably 70 to 90 miles per week. And ran in the off season. By spring track-season, I ran a 4:25 mile in warm-up(!) (Okay, I wasn't supposed to be warming up that hard, but I literally did it as a warm-up to a 12x400m work out - coach chewed me out for that but whatever).
Yeah, but what you did was just bad coaching. You dont see how it make sense for a sophomore in hs to be running 30mpw? 10 to 15 mpw is just idiotic. If you run only m-f, that is 2 to 3 miles a day. You basically werent even training in high school. That doesn't mean there is something wrong with this kid doing a very moderate amount of training in high school.
He'll either become a top runner or he won't. Just let him be. It's ridiculous to criticize some body doing 30mpw.
Run007xx wrote:
Hayduke wrote:
Exactly. Sure the talent is a big factor, but when I was sixteen our team would do some jumping jacks and sit ups, jog/walk a half mile on the track, then coach would send us out on a run where we would spend most of the time running through the doors of restaurants or cutting the loop by about half. I think I ran 4:23 something that year.
+10. My point exactly. I ran a 4:28 in high school off of no more than 15 miles a week of training... probably more like 10 miles a week in most weeks. Never ran in the off-season. My XC/Track coach was my history teacher.
When I got to college, my performance declined significantly initially, because I stepped up from 10 to 15 miles a week up to probably 70 to 90 miles per week. And ran in the off season. By spring track-season, I ran a 4:25 mile in warm-up(!) (Okay, I wasn't supposed to be warming up that hard, but I literally did it as a warm-up to a 12x400m work out - coach chewed me out for that but whatever).
Yeah as a freshman off of 3 miles a week I did 4:19 but it was no big deal and I had better things to do. So I joined the Young Entrepreneur Council and became a CEO of a tech firm until my senior year, sold that for a cool few million and decided to train some more. Ran 4:03 off of 24 miles a week but called it a career. By then my investments had mushroomed and I retired at 19. It wasn't hard.
Sdfsdfsdfsdfsdfsdf wrote:
Run007xx wrote:
+10. My point exactly. I ran a 4:28 in high school off of no more than 15 miles a week of training... probably more like 10 miles a week in most weeks. Never ran in the off-season. My XC/Track coach was my history teacher.
When I got to college, my performance declined significantly initially, because I stepped up from 10 to 15 miles a week up to probably 70 to 90 miles per week. And ran in the off season. By spring track-season, I ran a 4:25 mile in warm-up(!) (Okay, I wasn't supposed to be warming up that hard, but I literally did it as a warm-up to a 12x400m work out - coach chewed me out for that but whatever).
Yeah, but what you did was just bad coaching. You dont see how it make sense for a sophomore in hs to be running 30mpw? 10 to 15 mpw is just idiotic. If you run only m-f, that is 2 to 3 miles a day. You basically werent even training in high school. That doesn't mean there is something wrong with this kid doing a very moderate amount of training in high school.
He'll either become a top runner or he won't. Just let him be. It's ridiculous to criticize some body doing 30mpw.
not criticizing at all! what we are saying is that in HS running the coaching is all over the place and it is very hard to determine talent based on times. We always hear about burn out from hs stars but it is just possible that those were not cases of burn out but of just great coaching producing times that no one thought was possible for hs students, but perhaps if there were standard training across most of HS sports we would see that 4:10-4:20 would be pretty average for HS, and the real 5 star recruits would be all around 4 flat or sub 4.
8th place kid is the son of Ken Cheeseman - older but fast dude - Fla HS then UVa mid 80s.
Hayduke wrote:
Sdfsdfsdfsdfsdfsdf wrote:
Yeah, but what you did was just bad coaching. You dont see how it make sense for a sophomore in hs to be running 30mpw? 10 to 15 mpw is just idiotic. If you run only m-f, that is 2 to 3 miles a day. You basically werent even training in high school. That doesn't mean there is something wrong with this kid doing a very moderate amount of training in high school.
He'll either become a top runner or he won't. Just let him be. It's ridiculous to criticize some body doing 30mpw.
not criticizing at all! what we are saying is that in HS running the coaching is all over the place and it is very hard to determine talent based on times. We always hear about burn out from hs stars but it is just possible that those were not cases of burn out but of just great coaching producing times that no one thought was possible for hs students, but perhaps if there were standard training across most of HS sports we would see that 4:10-4:20 would be pretty average for HS, and the real 5 star recruits would be all around 4 flat or sub 4.
You read like a misinformed jealous twat .
