I had a friend break 14 his stats were thus:
Talent - 21
Speed - 18
Dexterity - 1
Endurance - 25
This also clearly shows that as a distance runner who doesn't run the steeplechase, you shouldn't spend experience points on dexterity.
I had a friend break 14 his stats were thus:
Talent - 21
Speed - 18
Dexterity - 1
Endurance - 25
This also clearly shows that as a distance runner who doesn't run the steeplechase, you shouldn't spend experience points on dexterity.
The national records of several countries are slower than 14 minutes, including Indonesia, Nicaragua, Malaysia, Liechtenstein. So yeah, it requires a bit of talent I would think
These threads crack me up. It would be rare for a HS state champion in cross and distance events to break 14. Those guys are already 1 in a million type talents.
it's not easy not easy but i think it is achievable for a good full time runner
Heinrich wrote:
it's not easy not easy but i think it is achievable for a good full time runner
I would say it takes the same talent to run a 9:20 3200 in HS.
runner713 wrote:
I had a friend break 14 his stats were thus:
Talent - 21
Speed - 18
Dexterity - 1
Endurance - 25
This also clearly shows that as a distance runner who doesn't run the steeplechase, you shouldn't spend experience points on dexterity.
what level is he?
YMCA\ wrote:
well,, wrote:
Total and comple BS.
well, even ultrarunners like Hayden Hawks and Jim Walmsley went sub 14
Incorrect. Sub 14 runners Hawks and Walmsley moved to ultras.
Predictor wrote:
There are hundreds of thousands of kids at D3 colleges in their prime and not many are going to break 14 minutes. At 300 million people in the US, if 300 break 14, that is only 1 in a million.
Considering total athletics participation for D3 men ~100,000 - the population of students regularly working out in a way that resembles appropriate 5k training, even if we include soccer, swimming, hobby jogging, ultimate frisbee... is much less than "hundreds of thousands".
https://www.ncaa.org/sites/default/files/2018DIII_FactsandFigures_20170906.pdfIn the realm of letsrun “where dreams (delusions) become reality (validated) most posters have a trophy wife (can’t get laid), a 200k job (sub 50k), and a 14:xx 5K (4K) anyone with talent or motivation can break 14 in the 5K. But if you don’t need sunblock for a morning run, didn’t vote for Trump, or come from a third world country you’re a doper, age cheat, citizen cheat, etc because only lil boys who voted for Trump and got cut from the football/basketball/soccer teams are capable of running sub 14.
you guys are a bunch of wimps that would never achieve anything
One needs be able to race sub-4:05 1500m. One needs to be able to race sub-57.33 400m. Running 150 miles a week isn't going to get the previously mentioned times.
Sub 57 400 at least 3 orders of magnitude easier than sub 14 5k
The answer is "some what talented." Here's some anecdotal evidence. One of my son's HS teammates was top 3 in XC for the State, top 20 at footlocker, and ran sub 8:10 for 3k as a freshman has not run sub 14. If you can do all that you have a measure of talent. But sub 14 has been elusive thus far. I think he has another year or two left, so maybe he'll get it yet though.
No kidding. The question was: How much talent .... . A sub-57.33 400m capability is needed to race a sub-14 5000m. Do you agree or not? To race sub 14 5000m, sub-50 400m is not necessary.
I guess I didn't understand your point
The 1500 marker seems the more relevant indicator. (ie the 400 is irrelevant if can't do the 1500)
I know there are those stories about people winning marathons who couldn't break 60 but could presumably break 14. I have my doubts those people ever tried to break 60 though and probably could
Letsdream wrote:
In the realm of letsrun “where dreams (delusions) become reality (validated) most posters have a trophy wife (can’t get laid), a 200k job (sub 50k), and a 14:xx 5K (4K) anyone with talent or motivation can break 14 in the 5K. But if you don’t need sunblock for a morning run, didn’t vote for Trump, or come from a third world country you’re a doper, age cheat, citizen cheat, etc because only lil boys who voted for Trump and got cut from the football/basketball/soccer teams are capable of running sub 14.
Good points all around. I will only add that breaking 14, 15 or even 16 doesnt make you a real man.
The question was not asking the equivalent 400m speed to sub-14:00 5000m. The question asked talent. You said you do not know why I mentioned 400m. Physiologist tend to measure athletic talent by 200m PB. Many on LetsRun never were asked to race 200m in their prime. There is a larger pool of runners on LetsRun who have least raced a 400m leg on a relay. I know sub-14 5000m is roughly equal to sub-48 400m. The question asked for talent. I do not think my response to OP was that complicated. To have the talent to race sub-14 5000m, one needs sub-57.33 400m talent.
ironside wrote:
The question was not asking the equivalent 400m speed to sub-14:00 5000m. The question asked talent. You said you do not know why I mentioned 400m. Physiologist tend to measure athletic talent by 200m PB. Many on LetsRun never were asked to race 200m in their prime. There is a larger pool of runners on LetsRun who have least raced a 400m leg on a relay. I know sub-14 5000m is roughly equal to sub-48 400m. The question asked for talent. I do not think my response to OP was that complicated. To have the talent to race sub-14 5000m, one needs sub-57.33 400m talent.
57.33 is incredibly specific and arbitrary and that number alone makes anything you say questionable
What? What? wrote:
ironside wrote:
The question was not asking the equivalent 400m speed to sub-14:00 5000m. The question asked talent. You said you do not know why I mentioned 400m. Physiologist tend to measure athletic talent by 200m PB. Many on LetsRun never were asked to race 200m in their prime. There is a larger pool of runners on LetsRun who have least raced a 400m leg on a relay. I know sub-14 5000m is roughly equal to sub-48 400m. The question asked for talent. I do not think my response to OP was that complicated. To have the talent to race sub-14 5000m, one needs sub-57.33 400m talent.
57.33 is incredibly specific and arbitrary and that number alone makes anything you say questionable
It easy to be a critic. Give your criteria for talent for a sub-14 5000m.
What? What? wrote:
57.33 is incredibly specific and arbitrary and that number alone makes anything you say questionable
We usually find elite 5000m athletes averaging more than 10 seconds slower than their 400m PB for 12.5 laps. 14 minutes is 67.2 seconds per 400m. 57.33 is not an arbitrary number.