Slower runners moved to outside at end, sadly no such sportsmanship exists today.
Slower runners moved to outside at end, sadly no such sportsmanship exists today.
I think back then you'd be DQ'd if you didn't move out of the way.
John Chaplan told me outright not to believe the HS mileage of Gerry Lindgren.
HRE wrote:
What I'm sure of is that you just want to argue for no reason. I wasn't at the marathon he refers to. I do recall reading a report of the race that said he was on world record pace for a while. If you can find an actual quote from Lindgren that he was at sub two hour pace at the 26 mile mark of that marathon I will apologize profusely. He may have said that he ran sub two hour pace for a while but for 26 miles? Find me that quote and I'll have some respect for that bunch of guys on the internet.
No, I'm arguing for the sake of realism and clarity.
Here you go: Two direct quotes of Lindgren saying he was on 2 hour pace at 24 and 26 miles. Make sure you quibble about that not technically being sub 2 hour pace.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hfxCuDMqcjcWinning wrote:
He trained by running high mileage +200 mpw. Also junk mileage is not junk it serves a very important role in training. Jack Daniels in one if his seminars tells a story on if he woke up in the middle of the night to go per he would run 10 miles. In fact, he went crazy latter on after college where he left his wife and kids. All he left was a note on the table basically saying bye. And. then proceeded to move to Hawaii to train. One of my idols.
I feel sorry for people like you who don't have the mental capacity to not bring his personal life into every discussion about his running. I hope you can get help for your severe shortcomings.
If you want me to respond to a quote, write the quote into a post, in context. I almost never look at internet videos and I'm not doing it for someone who argues for the sake of arguing even if he claims it's for some other reason.
Everybody has some degree of mental illness wrote:
Winning wrote:
He trained by running high mileage +200 mpw. Also junk mileage is not junk it serves a very important role in training. Jack Daniels in one if his seminars tells a story on if he woke up in the middle of the night to go per he would run 10 miles. In fact, he went crazy latter on after college where he left his wife and kids. All he left was a note on the table basically saying bye. And. then proceeded to move to Hawaii to train. One of my idols.
I feel sorry for people like you who don't have the mental capacity to not bring his personal life into every discussion about his running. I hope you can get help for your severe shortcomings.
Exactly, almost half Americans and British are divorced. Its never a party and who knows what went on. decades ago
HRE wrote:
If you want me to respond to a quote, write the quote into a post, in context. I almost never look at internet videos and I'm not doing it for someone who argues for the sake of arguing even if he claims it's for some other reason.
Seriously? You just look like a moran by stubbornly refusing to watch an actual video in context.
The video clearly shows Lindgren is not to be trusted with his recollections.
I could type out his words and you would just deny them.
Englehart Humperdink wrote:
HRE wrote:
If you want me to respond to a quote, write the quote into a post, in context. I almost never look at internet videos and I'm not doing it for someone who argues for the sake of arguing even if he claims it's for some other reason.
Seriously? You just look like a moran by stubbornly refusing to watch an actual video in context.
The video clearly shows Lindgren is not to be trusted with his recollections.
I could type out his words and you would just deny them.
I watched the video. Quote doesn't exist.
I look like a moron for responding to you. I'll give you that. Here's what happened. I checked on a thread where people are speculating about Lindgren's speed and thought that adding something Lindgren himself said might be useful. I do not know if what he said was true or even if I was 100% accurate in my report but I do know that he, and really everyone who followed his career, did not think he had much speed so the idea that he could run under 50 for a 440 seems far fetched. That's as far as I was going to get involved.
I agreed with you that it seems unlikely that someone who could average four 400s in 60 plus without a break could not run a single one under 60. But in the quote I recall he did not actually say he COULDN'T run under 60. in an open 440 He said that he never had. That's not the same thing. Maybe, as someone else mentioned, he ran one when he was a high school freshman and never did it again. Maybe he just had horrible acceleration and could run under 60 if he'd been running for a bit but couldn't from a cold start. Maybe he'd run faster in time trials or workouts but never actually ran a 440 in competition and only counted times he did in races. I don't know. I also don't care enough to have gotten into this with you or anyone else. I know Lindgren has said things over the years that people find hard to believe and I understand why that is. I also understand that Lindgren was there for the things he says he did and those people weren't. I don't feel any need to analyze his comments deeply and then to decide what I think is accurate and what's not and as I really don't like watching internet videos I'm not going to do it to argue with some guy I don't know and don't care about whose motive seems to be simply to continue an argument with me.
HRE wrote:
I look like a moron for responding to you. I'll give you that. Here's what happened. I checked on a thread where people are speculating about Lindgren's speed and thought that adding something Lindgren himself said might be useful. I do not know if what he said was true or even if I was 100% accurate in my report but I do know that he, and really everyone who followed his career, did not think he had much speed so the idea that he could run under 50 for a 440 seems far fetched. That's as far as I was going to get involved.
I agreed with you that it seems unlikely that someone who could average four 400s in 60 plus without a break could not run a single one under 60. But in the quote I recall he did not actually say he COULDN'T run under 60. in an open 440 He said that he never had. That's not the same thing. Maybe, as someone else mentioned, he ran one when he was a high school freshman and never did it again. Maybe he just had horrible acceleration and could run under 60 if he'd been running for a bit but couldn't from a cold start. Maybe he'd run faster in time trials or workouts but never actually ran a 440 in competition and only counted times he did in races. I don't know. I also don't care enough to have gotten into this with you or anyone else. I know Lindgren has said things over the years that people find hard to believe and I understand why that is. I also understand that Lindgren was there for the things he says he did and those people weren't. I don't feel any need to analyze his comments deeply and then to decide what I think is accurate and what's not and as I really don't like watching internet videos I'm not going to do it to argue with some guy I don't know and don't care about whose motive seems to be simply to continue an argument with me.
You could have saved a lot of time and effort by just watching 40 seconds of a video and typing “you were right”, rather than composing this defiant little essay.
John Chaplin told me that Lindgren's 400m best was 54. I believe he gave me the time to the tenth, but that was almost 25 years ago and I don't remember the exact time anymore. I don't remember his precise words, but he said it in the context that this was as fast as Lindgren could go (that he was not gifted with speed but was an otherworldly aerobic monster).
Pappy wrote:
doot doot wrote:
See, this is the bullsht that totally diminishes his credibility. How does someone run a 4:01 mile then claim they can't run an open 60? It's ludicrous.
In HS I ran a 1:58.x half 5 different times. The first was at the end of a cc race. The other 4 were in either relays or open 800's. My best 400 was 60. I was able to run 200's in :27.x in practice but I could never get under 60 for 400. I'm guessing I was somewhat like Gerry(not nearly as good)
How much interest do you think Gerry had in a 440? I don't know what his best open 400 was but I suspect he never broke 60. Could he break 60, of course. He'd of probably run a 440 much faster if he had a running start too. If he really ran 200+ miles a week he may not of trained for speed at all. It would make sense that he could run his fastest sprints at the end of a race if so.
What 13:3X 5k runner isn't curious about their top end speed?
Gerry Lindgren. Got it.
Your situation sounds like a mental block. You tried to break 60 but couldn't except in a race? I could also rep 26/27 and 39/40 and 55/56 in training but never ran "near" 4:01. It's Lindgren-tier nutty not to have even dabbled in those kinds of workouts.
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When there is no actual evidence of Lindgren's training except for his own testimony then his mental constitution is absolutely a factor in considering the validity of his claims.
sfsdfsdfsdf wrote:
John Chaplin told me that Lindgren's 400m best was 54. I believe he gave me the time to the tenth, but that was almost 25 years ago and I don't remember the exact time anymore. I don't remember his precise words, but he said it in the context that this was as fast as Lindgren could go (that he was not gifted with speed but was an otherworldly aerobic monster).
This makes sense to me. It's odd AF but so is Lindgren.
Treally? wrote:
HRE wrote:
I look like a moron for responding to you. I'll give you that. Here's what happened. I checked on a thread where people are speculating about Lindgren's speed and thought that adding something Lindgren himself said might be useful. I do not know if what he said was true or even if I was 100% accurate in my report but I do know that he, and really everyone who followed his career, did not think he had much speed so the idea that he could run under 50 for a 440 seems far fetched. That's as far as I was going to get involved.
I agreed with you that it seems unlikely that someone who could average four 400s in 60 plus without a break could not run a single one under 60. But in the quote I recall he did not actually say he COULDN'T run under 60. in an open 440 He said that he never had. That's not the same thing. Maybe, as someone else mentioned, he ran one when he was a high school freshman and never did it again. Maybe he just had horrible acceleration and could run under 60 if he'd been running for a bit but couldn't from a cold start. Maybe he'd run faster in time trials or workouts but never actually ran a 440 in competition and only counted times he did in races. I don't know. I also don't care enough to have gotten into this with you or anyone else. I know Lindgren has said things over the years that people find hard to believe and I understand why that is. I also understand that Lindgren was there for the things he says he did and those people weren't. I don't feel any need to analyze his comments deeply and then to decide what I think is accurate and what's not and as I really don't like watching internet videos I'm not going to do it to argue with some guy I don't know and don't care about whose motive seems to be simply to continue an argument with me.
You could have saved a lot of time and effort by just watching 40 seconds of a video and typing “you were right”, rather than composing this defiant little essay.
Not quite...HRE would have had to watch almost 50 seconds of the video to know that.
moist wrote:
Englehart Humperdink wrote:
Seriously? You just look like a moran by stubbornly refusing to watch an actual video in context.
The video clearly shows Lindgren is not to be trusted with his recollections.
I could type out his words and you would just deny them.
I watched the video. Quote doesn't exist.
"My first one was Trails End... (interrupted)"
"...Trails End marathon in Oregon. And for the first 24 miles of the race I was under two hour pace. And then, I died. And in the last two miles people came by me laughing saying 'Welcome to the marathon'..."
"And you'd think I'd learned my lesson but the second one I ran I was under two hour pace through 26 miles. And I was well under it, but I couldn't run under two hours for the marathon because about 150m from the finish line I passed out. And I wake up in an ambulance *mumbles, laughs* "
Make of it what you will.
He was great runner and the results from his incredible work ethic is inspiring but sometimes as we age our memories fail us.
ex-runner wrote:
moist wrote:
I watched the video. Quote doesn't exist.
"My first one was Trails End... (interrupted)"
"...Trails End marathon in Oregon. And for the first 24 miles of the race I was under two hour pace. And then, I died. And in the last two miles people came by me laughing saying 'Welcome to the marathon'..."
"And you'd think I'd learned my lesson but the second one I ran I was under two hour pace through 26 miles. And I was well under it, but I couldn't run under two hours for the marathon because about 150m from the finish line I passed out. And I wake up in an ambulance *mumbles, laughs* "
Make of it what you will.
He was great runner and the results from his incredible work ethic is inspiring but sometimes as we age our memories fail us.
Since anyone familiar with running would know that it's impossible that he was under 2 hour pace at 26 miles of some marathon, it's not possible to attribute Lindgren's statement to memory failure. He seems to be somewhere between mental instability and self-delusion.
Englehart Humperdink wrote:
HRE wrote:
If you want me to respond to a quote, write the quote into a post, in context. I almost never look at internet videos and I'm not doing it for someone who argues for the sake of arguing even if he claims it's for some other reason.
Seriously? You just look like a moran by stubbornly refusing to watch an actual video in context.
The video clearly shows Lindgren is not to be trusted with his recollections.
I could type out his words and you would just deny them.
Have to agree on this one. Could HRE be trolling?
In any case, if you ask for the source of a quote and someone provides video of the person *actually uttering* the quote...then your request has been fulfilled. Your refusal to view the video does not change its veracity.
And yes, if E.H. typed out a transcript, you most likely would just dispute it. You lose on this one. Let it go.
jll wrote:
Definitely Pre as a freshman... Lindgren was a senior and went ballistic that last 300m to win the race. Amazing.
I don't think so--at least, he wasn't one of the two guys in front of Gerry on that last lap. Was it Kvalheim, maybe?
Days Of Yore wrote:
Slower runners moved to outside at end, sadly no such sportsmanship exists today.
Unless the rule changed in the last ~20 years, moving out like that is now against the rules--and you can be DQed if you do so (and interfere with someone).
I like the "stick to the rail" rule *much* better. Much safer for those who are lapping others.
And the "lappees" as well.