You don't think Galen could match Yuta Shitara?
You don't think Galen could match Yuta Shitara?
wejo wrote:
Every Monday morning we have a LetsRun.com call and things are usually pretty tame. Talk about the weekend's action, what's coming up, what stories we want to cover, etc.
Today's call got super heated. We were debating what Galen Rupp should do next, and the opinions were pretty strong and varied.
One train of thought, go to Boston and try to win.
Another train of thought, go race the best in London and go after a fast time. There is a real divergence of opinion of what would happen to Rupp in London.
"If he goes to London, he'll just get his ass kicked by Kipchoge."
"There is no F'ing way, he goes out in sub 1:02. I don't think he has the guts for that".
That comment got strong reaction. "It's not about guts. When has Galen ever not gone with the pace in the race?"
"I bet he could hang with Kipchoge for 20+ miles."
The argument that Rupp wouldn't go with the pace is Mo Farah's debut. In 2014, Farah went out in 63:08. Leaders went through in 62:31 and Wilson Kipsang ran a course record of 2:04.29.
They'd likely go out 61 flat or so in London next year. I think there is a chance Kipchoge and/or London decide London isn't the best place for him to run this spring. Most of the LRC team didn't buy my train of thought, noting that London brought in the world's best for Farah's debut in 2014 and were fine with Farah not going out with the leaders. But it's not the best place to break the WR and do they want Farah not going with the pace again? Or do you think Farah too wouldq go with it.
http://www.letsrun.com/news/2014/04/7-thoughts-mens-race-2014-london-marathon-great-wilson-kipsang-awful-haile-g-kenenisa-bekeles-big-day-props-mo-farah/
LetsRun has a Monday conference call?
I will bet that’s a regular Algonquin Roundtable
Robert Benchley wrote:
wejo wrote:Every Monday morning we have a LetsRun.com call and things are usually pretty tame. Talk about the weekend's action, what's coming up, what stories we want to cover, etc.
Today's call got super heated. We were debating what Galen Rupp should do next, and the opinions were pretty strong and varied.
One train of thought, go to Boston and try to win.
Another train of thought, go race the best in London and go after a fast time. There is a real divergence of opinion of what would happen to Rupp in London.
"If he goes to London, he'll just get his ass kicked by Kipchoge."
"There is no F'ing way, he goes out in sub 1:02. I don't think he has the guts for that".
That comment got strong reaction. "It's not about guts. When has Galen ever not gone with the pace in the race?"
"I bet he could hang with Kipchoge for 20+ miles."
The argument that Rupp wouldn't go with the pace is Mo Farah's debut. In 2014, Farah went out in 63:08. Leaders went through in 62:31 and Wilson Kipsang ran a course record of 2:04.29.
They'd likely go out 61 flat or so in London next year. I think there is a chance Kipchoge and/or London decide London isn't the best place for him to run this spring. Most of the LRC team didn't buy my train of thought, noting that London brought in the world's best for Farah's debut in 2014 and were fine with Farah not going out with the leaders. But it's not the best place to break the WR and do they want Farah not going with the pace again? Or do you think Farah too wouldq go with it.
http://www.letsrun.com/news/2014/04/7-thoughts-mens-race-2014-london-marathon-great-wilson-kipsang-awful-haile-g-kenenisa-bekeles-big-day-props-mo-farah/LetsRun has a Monday conference call?
I will bet that’s a regular Algonquin Roundtable
I bet you they do a lot of training about race and gender on these calls.
Ifnfjfjrjhdhriejrjr wrote:
I'm not the biggest Rupp fan, myself, but Rupp is a baller. If Alberto told him to go out in 62, Rupp would go 62. Give the guy the credit he deserves.
+1
The question is whether Al Sal has the guts to tell Rupp to go out in sub 1:02.
Once Ruppy gets into a race with Kipchoge he'll get put in his damned place as Kipchoge drops a WR on his goofy ass
Let's be logical wrote:
Is Galen better marathon runner than Mo? No
Can Mo hang with the best East African marathoners? No
End of discussion
Not sure why you think Galen is not a better marathoner than Mo. Could you elaborate?
I would guess that the odds are pretty good that, because Galen is slower than Mo from the Mile to the 10k, that he may very well have a higher upside than Mo in the marathon.
Another query; why would anyone at LRC question Galen's guts? The guy lives to race. He's the only runner we have who isn't afraid of the Africans. Why would anyone question his guts?
"Some people run a race to see who's fastest. I run to see who can crash into a big a$$ rock".
Ifnfjfjrjhdhriejrjr wrote:
I'm not the biggest Rupp fan, myself, but Rupp is a baller. If Alberto told him to go out in 62, Rupp would go 62. Give the guy the credit he deserves.
This...Rupp does what his Ruppeteer tells him to do. Rupp himself does not make any of the decisions in his racing strategy. The only credit Rupp deserves is for being able to pull of his assignments very well, which is no short order!
Jefe in the CO wrote:
[quote]Let's be logical wrote:
Another query; why would anyone at LRC question Galen's guts? The guy lives to race. He's the only runner we have who isn't afraid of the Africans. Why would anyone question his guts?
Why didn't Galen run Berlin this year then?
FightFor15 wrote:
Jordan Hasay will never break 2:23.
LMAO
Jefe in the CO wrote:
Let's be logical wrote:Is Galen better marathon runner than Mo? No
Can Mo hang with the best East African marathoners? No
End of discussion
Not sure why you think Galen is not a better marathoner than Mo. Could you elaborate?
I would guess that the odds are pretty good that, because Galen is slower than Mo from the Mile to the 10k, that he may very well have a higher upside than Mo in the marathon.
Another query; why would anyone at LRC question Galen's guts? The guy lives to race. He's the only runner we have who isn't afraid of the Africans. Why would anyone question his guts?
Rupp
mile-3:50.9
3000m-7:30
5000m-12:58.9
10000m 26:44.36
half-60:30
marathon-2:09:20(WMM winner, etc...)
Mo
mile-3:56.5
3000m-7:32.6
5000m-12:53.1
10000m-26:46.6
half-59:32
marathon-2:08:21(pacers in London, 8th)
Ohhhh idk wrote:
Jefe in the CO wrote:[quote]Let's be logical wrote:
Another query; why would anyone at LRC question Galen's guts? The guy lives to race. He's the only runner we have who isn't afraid of the Africans. Why would anyone question his guts?
Why didn't Galen run Berlin this year then?
Running is still his job, Chicago was likely more financially lucrative.
Private Rupp is silly and he's ignorant, but he's got guts and guts is enough!
martalus wrote:
So here is my question-did he win against a world class field?
A lot of people seem to be judging his Chicago win post-hoc. If you looked at that field before the race, there is nobody who would say "this isn't a world class field." If I told you two narratives before the race, which would you all believe more:
1) field including WR holder for half and full marathon, guy who got Silver in 2016 Olympics, and myriad others hit hot pace, blow away from Rupp in final 10k.
2) tons of super accomplished runners fall to the wayside as Rupp runs away from small chase pack over final 5 miles to run a moderate time and win.
Would you really have said prior to the race that 2 is more likely than 1?
Loads of people said the field was weak beforehand. The WR holder hasn't actually performed recently.
Gotta bee wrote:
Jefe in the CO wrote:Not sure why you think Galen is not a better marathoner than Mo. Could you elaborate?
I would guess that the odds are pretty good that, because Galen is slower than Mo from the Mile to the 10k, that he may very well have a higher upside than Mo in the marathon.
Another query; why would anyone at LRC question Galen's guts? The guy lives to race. He's the only runner we have who isn't afraid of the Africans. Why would anyone question his guts?
Rupp
mile-3:50.9
3000m-7:30
5000m-12:58.9
10000m 26:44.36
half-60:30
marathon-2:09:20(WMM winner, etc...)âž¡Rio was probably 2/3 minutes quicker than this (heat, tight waterfront turns, no pacing, Kipchoge in great shape did only 2:08).
Mo
mile-3:56.5 âž¡his 3:28 is probably 3:45/46
3000m-7:32.6âž¡8:03 for 2 miles = 7:27 for 3k
5000m-12:53.1
10000m-26:46.6âž¡just did 26:49 in Championship race while waving and smiling for half the race, no pacing.
half-59:32
marathon-2:08:21(pacers in London, 8th)
All of you jealous guys who keep making allegations should be ashamed of yourselves.
We have an American winning a major, and all you can do is try to tear him down? Rupp has never failed a usada test, and he works hard. He also has a family to support.
You skeptical people suck.
Jefe in the CO wrote:
Let's be logical wrote:Is Galen better marathon runner than Mo? No
Can Mo hang with the best East African marathoners? No
End of discussion
Not sure why you think Galen is not a better marathoner than Mo. Could you elaborate?
I would guess that the odds are pretty good that, because Galen is slower than Mo from the Mile to the 10k, that he may very well have a higher upside than Mo in the marathon.
Another query; why would anyone at LRC question Galen's guts? The guy lives to race. He's the only runner we have who isn't afraid of the Africans. Why would anyone question his guts?
Lives to race? He races like twice a year.
1500 Metres 3:42.29 Los Angeles (Westwood), CA 02 MAY 1998
3000 Metres 7:48.81 Berlin (Olympiastadion) 10 AUG 2003
5000 Metres 13:11.77 Heusden-Zolder 05 AUG 2000
5 Kilometres 13:34 Carlsbad, CA 01 APR 2001
5 Kilometres 13:34 Carlsbad, CA 07 APR 2002
10,000 Metres 27:13.98 Palo Alto, CA 04 MAY 2001
10 Kilometres 27:58 Cape Elizabeth, ME 04 AUG 2007
15 Kilometres 42:48 Jacksonville, FL 09 MAR 2002
20 Kilometres 57:52 San José, CA 04 OCT 2009
Half Marathon 1:01:00 San José, CA 04 OCT 2009
30 Kilometres 1:29:47 New York City, NY 06 NOV 2011
Marathon 2:08:036 Houston, TX 14 JAN 2012
looks like him and rupp are about even if you erase ruppy poops super sauced times of 3:50, 12:58 and 26:44
i believe rupps PR for 1500/mile was 4:01 for a long time
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2. Khalid Khannouchi—2:05:38, London Marathon, 2002
3. Dathan Ritzenhein—2:07:47, Chicago Marathon, 2012
4. Meb Keflezighi—2:08:37, Boston Marathon, 2014
5. Bob Kempainen—2:08:47, Boston Marathon, 1994
6. Alberto Salazar—2:08:52, Boston Marathon, 1982
7. Dick Beardsley—2:08:54, Boston Marathon, 1982
8. Abdi Abdirahman—2:08:56, Chicago Marathon, 2006
9. Greg Meyer—2:09:00, Boston Marathon, 1983
10. Bill Rodgers—2:09:27, Boston Marathon, 1979
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