Ayana had already run 14:24 en-route to her victory in the 10000..!
My recap of the race ...
Out slow 2:40 @ 800
5;01 at 1600
9:32 at 3200
11:49 @ 4000
Last km 2:44
So the last 1800m was run in ~ 5:02 which would equal ~4:30/mi pace over the last 4.5 laps ..!
Or the last 1.8km @ 13:58.9 pace
Out in 2:40 for the first 800 ; ..finishing the last 10.5 laps (4.2km) in 11:54 (68/400) or 14:10 pace.
scorpion_runner wrote:
her tatics don't work at 5000m
no kick!
The blue print is there for 10000m as well.
I have been telling people that Obiri is a great athlete who will break the world record.
Some guys here railed at me.
I knew she was going to beat Ayana!
Let me repeat, Obiri will break the world record.
Kid running after kipchoge wrote:
Ayana's only chance was to run a WR pace, but a stupid first 2 pedestrian laps cost her the race.
It honestly doesn't matter!
Obiri was going to nail her.
It is that simple!
CDA wrote:
She will never be queen of 5000m because she runs the 10,000 first.
Ayana has never lost to Obiri in the last two years in races where they both were fresh.
Does Ayana realize she doesn't have to lap the field in the 10,000? Maybe save a bit for the upcoming 5000.
slow motiion for ya wrote:
CDA wrote:She will never be queen of 5000m because she runs the 10,000 first.
Ayana has never lost to Obiri in the last two years in races where they both were fresh.
Does Ayana realize she doesn't have to lap the field in the 10,000? Maybe save a bit for the upcoming 5000.
This made me laugh... haha, I don't think she does... I mean I get that she ran hard to the line in Rio because she was going for the WR, but last week was just stupid. The CR and the WR were not attainable.
That said, no matter what pace you run the 10K, it takes a lot of mental and physical energy to just complete it.
pretty much. that is what people don't understand. when you start getting to 5000, 3000m, 1500m, 800m
You need to finish with speed, so getting out fast is good if you can close. But not good, because you will come back to the kickers in the end.
When Dibaba beat Ayana in 2015, Dibaba was at the top of her game, Dibaba was behind Ayana speed for speed. Ayana tried to break away so many times, and when it got to 400m - it was over. Obiri just did the same thing.
No runner can run world record pace without tiring and either coming back to the field, or someone running with her and out kicking her in the end
They were both running serious world record pace, obiri was right there with no signs of slowing down.
There was simply nothing ayana can do. I like her, but she is just a one tactic runner.
Think about this, Tirunesh broke the world record at 5000m by having an insane last lap, not by going out at WR pace and turning the screw.
CDA wrote:
She will never be queen of 5000m because she runs the 10,000 first.
Ayana has never lost to Obiri in the last two years in races where they both were fresh.
Right now, in my opinion, Obiri will nail Ayana in a golden league meet.
NativeSon wrote:
CDA wrote:She will never be queen of 5000m because she runs the 10,000 first.
Ayana has never lost to Obiri in the last two years in races where they both were fresh.
Right now, in my opinion, Obiri will nail Ayana in a golden league meet.
Unfortunately, you will never know. New DL rules will not allow Ayana into the final just based on her past credentials. Obiri will win unchallenged.
NativeSon wrote:
CDA wrote:She will never be queen of 5000m because she runs the 10,000 first.
Ayana has never lost to Obiri in the last two years in races where they both were fresh.
Right now, in my opinion, Obiri will nail Ayana in a golden league meet.
pretty much.
and who cares about DL?
It's all about the olympics and WC! and Ayana lost both of them
Tirunesh won her doubles, and so did Bekele ( except the great EL G in 2004) . so the excuses about her running a double goes out the window. However, those two had great sprinting ability to be great at 5000m . Tirunesh had to deal with Defar. Bekele had to do deal with Kipchoge.
Fresh or not fresh, ayana has no sprinting ability, so her only tactic is to take it out at WR pace. That makes beatable, two one dimensional.
scorpion_runner wrote:
pretty much. that is what people don't understand. when you start getting to 5000, 3000m, 1500m, 800m
You need to finish with speed, so getting out fast is good if you can close. But not good, because you will come back to the kickers in the end.
When Dibaba beat Ayana in 2015, Dibaba was at the top of her game, Dibaba was behind Ayana speed for speed. Ayana tried to break away so many times, and when it got to 400m - it was over. Obiri just did the same thing.
No runner can run world record pace without tiring and either coming back to the field, or someone running with her and out kicking her in the end
They were both running serious world record pace, obiri was right there with no signs of slowing down.
There was simply nothing ayana can do. I like her, but she is just a one tactic runner.
Think about this, Tirunesh broke the world record at 5000m by having an insane last lap, not by going out at WR pace and turning the screw.
Agreed!
Ayana is a one trick pony. Run hard, hard, hard adn open up an insurmountable gap on everyone and if possible, lap them all.
The problem with that is that wheareas it'll work at times, at other times, it'll backfire.
The instructions from team Kenya were simple (and I am not a party to it).
Stick to Ayana, just keep close, no more than 40 metres at most.
Obiri stuck to Ayana like a shadow or a bad dream.
she was no more than two strides adrift adn this must have got to Ayana's head.
Knowing who Obiri is, she definitely knew with four laps to go that her goose had not only been fried but served.
I want to see a race where both are fresh. That would be great but I'd still go with Obiri by a small margin (right now).
Ayana would be much better at the 5000 if she didn't have the 10000 first (obviously), but it's even more pronounced for her because she wins by striking early and grinding the field into oblivion. Someone like Mo can control the race off a slow pace and kick to the win (except this year), saving energy for the 5k, but Ayana's lack of a kick doesn't give her this option. With that being said, she could have eased up quite a bit given her margin in the 10k this year, but waiting until the last lap would leave her vulnerable. Also, this is what gives me hope that Ayana could be clean, her last few laps of the 5k this year and in Rio look like what you'd expect to happen after superhuman performances in the 10k without superhuman recovery capabilities.
I think Obiri and Ayana are both in world record shape, and I hope they go for it soon. Ayana's been in that shape for three years, and Genzebe was there in 2015 as well, but Tirunesh's mark has proven surprisingly durable.
NativeSon wrote:
scorpion_runner wrote:pretty much. that is what people don't understand. when you start getting to 5000, 3000m, 1500m, 800m
You need to finish with speed, so getting out fast is good if you can close. But not good, because you will come back to the kickers in the end.
When Dibaba beat Ayana in 2015, Dibaba was at the top of her game, Dibaba was behind Ayana speed for speed. Ayana tried to break away so many times, and when it got to 400m - it was over. Obiri just did the same thing.
No runner can run world record pace without tiring and either coming back to the field, or someone running with her and out kicking her in the end
They were both running serious world record pace, obiri was right there with no signs of slowing down.
There was simply nothing ayana can do. I like her, but she is just a one tactic runner.
Think about this, Tirunesh broke the world record at 5000m by having an insane last lap, not by going out at WR pace and turning the screw.
Agreed!
Ayana is a one trick pony. Run hard, hard, hard adn open up an insurmountable gap on everyone and if possible, lap them all.
The problem with that is that wheareas it'll work at times, at other times, it'll backfire.
The instructions from team Kenya were simple (and I am not a party to it).
Stick to Ayana, just keep close, no more than 40 metres at most.
Obiri stuck to Ayana like a shadow or a bad dream.
she was no more than two strides adrift adn this must have got to Ayana's head.
Knowing who Obiri is, she definitely knew with four laps to go that her goose had not only been fried but served.
I want to see a race where both are fresh. That would be great but I'd still go with Obiri by a small margin (right now).
I posted here that Obiri would win this race including that article in the Standard or nation daily where she said she would use Ayana as pacemaker and break the world record today. Lots of people dismissed her even though she has been very dominant this season to an extend of getting bored. Snice June Obiri has been like Muhammed Ali or Mike Tyson during their prime, looking for an able opponent, knocking them down one by one. With Obiri''s win today, she becomes the deface Queen and Ayana and the rest of her compatriots will avoid getting into a race with her like a plaque! Congratulations to my Amberg neighbor.
Isn't one week plenty of time to recover for a 10k?
Yes and no. It depends on how hard it is, and the condition of the athlete.It's harder for an athlete who has been racing all season, or for an older athlete. However, Ayana is 25 , just entering her prime, and the 10000 was her first year of the year. So her body should have recovered, and more than likely, it did.
Vivian and Tirunesh both ran doubles, and none of them had issues with recovering before the 5000m event. So Ayana does not afford an excuse ,unless she is not a strong enough runner to run doubles : )
CDA wrote:
She will never be queen of 5000m because she runs the 10,000 first.
Ayana has never lost to Obiri in the last two years in races where they both were fresh.
Easy to keep the streak going if you just don't race your competitors all season till WC.
There was literally no doubt in my mind that Obiri would absolutely destroy her over the last 400. Nobody in the world can outkick Obiri. Once I saw that 4:16 mile she ran I almost instantly knew she would win this race. Nothing Ayana could have done.
Has there ever been a world record track runner with less kick than Ayana? There must be others, but I can't think of one off the top of my head. She has one gear. It's a very fast gear, but not a kicking gear.
Les wrote:
Has there ever been a world record track runner with less kick than Ayana? There must be others, but I can't think of one off the top of my head. She has one gear. It's a very fast gear, but not a kicking gear.
David Bedford.
Ron ClarkePaula Radcliffe
stick with kik wrote:
Les wrote:Has there ever been a world record track runner with less kick than Ayana? There must be others, but I can't think of one off the top of my head. She has one gear. It's a very fast gear, but not a kicking gear.
David Bedford.
Fernando Mamede
Athletico wrote:
Ron Clarke
Paula Radcliffe
stick with kik wrote:David Bedford.