yes, but he had a rolling start. Only worth a 1:45 from a standing start. Still, I'd give El G a 2 second edge on Coe. Snell would have been unbeatable in 60-64, and Ryun in 66-68.
yes, but he had a rolling start. Only worth a 1:45 from a standing start. Still, I'd give El G a 2 second edge on Coe. Snell would have been unbeatable in 60-64, and Ryun in 66-68.
Aouita would have been 2 sec back of Coe.
I think it was 1:46.9 with a rolling start.
Let's look at these numbers.
There is no evidence to say that El G was probably 1:42 high at worse. I'll give you 1:43.7 at best which puts him 2 seconds behind Coe there.
Most would probably agree that Coe is a full second better at 400.
El G was 4.2s faster at the mile and 3.7 s faster at 1500.
Coe was 1.6 s faster at 1000m which is closer to 1200.
I just don't see El G with a 1-2 s advantage in the 1200.
On paper, Coe would be leading with 100m to go with El G closing hard.
Do you see El G passing Coe in the stretch?
Not that he would be able to necessarily compete against the likes of El G or Ngeny but Jim Ryun in his prime would have done fairly well. His 1600 time may not have been as fast as those two guys but he was very quick covering the 400m and the 800m. It is very difficult to determine how they would fair against one another but it would have definately been one hell of a race.
Right after El G's win in Athens, Marty Liqouri said he ran 1:46.70 for the final 800m, that's his pr. I believe in his top shape(1998 or 1999) for 800m he'd have run 1:44.0, I believe for 1200m he can go 2:43, he's run 2:44 in a 3:26. For four hundred I'm not sure, I believe he can run 48. For 1600 it'll be 3:42.
3:42+2:44+1:44+48
By the way Wilson Kipketer was pretty slow in the 1500, he runs like 3:40's, people think that he's faster but he's really not, he's slow in the 1500.
Guys to consider: Bernard Lagat, Noureddine Morceli, Noah Ngeny, Seb Coe, Mehdi Baala, anybody else? I've seen this argument before, El G is the fastest, hehe
You cannot POSSIBLY run a 3:43 mile if you only can run 48 for the 400.
I'd have Cram on Coe's shoulder but with El G just about winning.
Crammy ran 1.42 low in a gale in Edinburgh in 1986. He's run 47 low for 400m in a relay. He's run a 3.29 1500m and a 3.46 mile (With a 53.2 last lap!!)
So Steve would be pretty close to Seb. I think the fact that El G has run a few seconds quicker over the mile would give him the edge, but I wouldn't be suprised if he could only run 1.45 for 800m.
With regard to El G and his 800m, don't forget Ovett only ran 1.44.1 yet had a 400m pb of 46.1 and was Olympic Champion. And could run 3.30 and 3.47
Ngeny has a 211 1000 to his credit and 343 mile i think he may win unless you believe el g could have run much faster in the 800
el g would have almost 0 advantage over ngeny in the 1600 leg and ngeny is stronger in the other legs, based purely on prs
if you think el g can only run 48-49...your stupid as hell.
Willis's PR's are great: 2.49, 47-48, 1.45, 3.49.
....Noradine Morcelli 2.44, 46, 1.44, 3.43
This is a sweet discussion. I don't think El G could break 1:44, but I think he could split a 47. Ngeny would have to be considered since he was arguably a better mid distance guy than El G and was pretty much the same in the mile. Coe and Cram also appear to be good candidates. Somebody compile their theoretical splits together in one spot so we can see how they all stack up against each other.
Since each leg of the DMR starts fresh, would the runner get full recovery between each leg? (Else obviously the runner with the best 2.5 mile time would win, regardless of his 800 speed!)