"The 'vanishing twin' is one cause of a condition where a person has two types of blood, which is known as chimerism. "
Awesome, just plain awesome. And the nerves of these drug cheats:
"Last week, the cyclist was still maintaining that the positive is a dreadful mistake, which has cost him more than a million dollars in lost earnings and legal fees. 'I am innocent and I believe in this process,' he said. "
Link for this please wrote:
What is the basis for saying this?
webby wrote:And yet IAAF absconded with syringes "for testing in their labs" and found no trace of banned substances. When will people realize that they are complicit?
I think you can search the Daily Mail articles at the time. They reported that IAAF led the investigation and took the syringes for testing. They also reported that IAAF was working closely with WADA, and this was at the time when Craig Reedie was writing (subsequently leaked) memos and emails telling drug offenders that doping stories needed to be hushed to maintain the image of Athletics.
From Google Translate:In Jama Aden's room appeared "several syringes, a box of the medicament Calco, a blister pack of 10 capsules, a box of Methycobal Injection 500 mcg , a vial of Maginjectable 0.8%, two ampules of Calciretard 10 ml, two vials of Livabion 2 ml, an ampoule of Aktober ", plus receipts from French pharmacies.Is Jama Aden being indicted for "pushing" vitamin injections?
ukathleticscoach wrote:
webby wrote:And yet IAAF absconded with syringes "for testing in their labs" and found no trace of banned substances. When will people realize that they are complicit?
No that was the syringes Aden put in bins outside the hotel
They found EPO in the hotel. It's not stored in syringes
rekrunner wrote:
From Google Translate:
In Jama Aden's room appeared "several syringes, a box of the medicament Calco, a blister pack of 10 capsules, a box of Methycobal Injection 500 mcg , a vial of Maginjectable 0.8%, two ampules of Calciretard 10 ml, two vials of Livabion 2 ml, an ampoule of Aktober ", plus receipts from French pharmacies.
Is Jama Aden being indicted for "pushing" vitamin injections?
ukathleticscoach wrote:No that was the syringes Aden put in bins outside the hotel
They found EPO in the hotel. It's not stored in syringes
Just a coincidence, I'm sure. Better yet, ask Hamza.
we know exactly which camp you are in ,
east africans can do what like, along with that fraud conova....
any news on testing there since , as sure still nearly the same ,
just keep blaming russians.
once you look at testing procedure ,
you see iaaf / wada are completely 100 % complicit .
wont test for certain peds , wont even mention them .
trying to control their distribution among certain athletes and countries
are using propaganda to push various narratives
that sport has never been cleaner but never been worse
in terms of perception .
this is the whole purpose of wada's creation , to keep ya off the scent
and times in sprints just keep getting faster as a whole
doesnt add up and obvious why , speed peptide and other peds
and certain chosen athletes and areas allowed to do so with paid for coaches
on side note ,
kim collins obviously not on speed peptide no more
either cant sourse it or wont source him ,,, as said before
probably the must obvious sign of doping ever seen and showes
how good this peptide is and to obvious for iaaf , pb in 100m sub 10 at 40
but no back on it , spoke to soon today in london
no more pretend false starts .
this stuff can save nervous system it seems well in to 40's like lagat .
truely a ped that if not on will not have a chance ........especially if in 40's
why do these times in track smell so off , if cleaner than ever , well tell me iaaf
Well it does corroborate what both Hamza and Torrance both told us -- that Aden was a fan of injectable vitamins.
Soliloquy wrote:
Just a coincidence, I'm sure. Better yet, ask Hamza.
rekrunner wrote:
Well it does corroborate what both Hamza and Torrance both told us -- that Aden was a fan of injectable vitamins.
Soliloquy wrote:Just a coincidence, I'm sure. Better yet, ask Hamza.
With your responses, I consider you complicit with the cheating. At the very least, you are ok with it. I also think you forgot Hamza's original statement, or are possibly just hoping that everyone else has.
If Aden is found to have cheated, I would not be OK with it.
Injecting vitamins is not cheating.
Hamza also forgot his original statement. His final statements, like Torrance, was that he was told by Aden that they were vitamins, and that after all, he didn't really know what was in the injections.
My Spanish is not great, but it looks like Spain is going to indict Aden for pushing vitamins.
rekrunner wrote:
If Aden is found to have cheated, I would not be OK with it.
Injecting vitamins is not cheating.
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My Spanish is not great, but it looks like Spain is going to indict Aden for pushing vitamins.
As usual, it is your reasoning that is not great. There was EPO. Aden was discarding used syringes covertly. Imagining the coach has nothing to do with that EPO is crazy. Imagining the EPO was not used to dope the athletes is crazy. What kind of lesion do you cure with EPO exactly?
Also, breaking the Spanish law is one thing, breaking the IAAF rules is another. There might be enough to ban at least Bala.
And I won't even mention the "spirit of the sport". Injecting vitamins as part of your training. Great.
They also mention in the article that Thomas Capdevielle says the IAAF did not detect EPO, but that could be due to technical limitations. That confirms the detection means are quite limited. Was it a reference to microdosing or something else?
grox wrote:
rekrunner wrote:If Aden is found to have cheated, I would not be OK with it.
Injecting vitamins is not cheating.
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My Spanish is not great, but it looks like Spain is going to indict Aden for pushing vitamins.
As usual, it is your reasoning that is not great. There was EPO. Aden was discarding used syringes covertly. Imagining the coach has nothing to do with that EPO is crazy. Imagining the EPO was not used to dope the athletes is crazy. What kind of lesion do you cure with EPO exactly?
Also, breaking the Spanish law is one thing, breaking the IAAF rules is another. There might be enough to ban at least Bala.
And I won't even mention the "spirit of the sport". Injecting vitamins as part of your training. Great.
They also mention in the article that Thomas Capdevielle says the IAAF did not detect EPO, but that could be due to technical limitations. That confirms the detection means are quite limited. Was it a reference to microdosing or something else?
Well stated. Pretending that Aden has nothing to do with this is naive at best, and voluntarily complicit at worst.
People love to bring up Hamza but he was not coached by Jama when he was caught. He had gone to a Moroccan coach well before that
aduck2022 wrote:
on side note ,
kim collins obviously not on speed peptide no more
either cant sourse it or wont source him ,,, as said before
probably the must obvious sign of doping ever seen and showes
how good this peptide is and to obvious for iaaf , pb in 100m sub 10 at 40
but no back on it , spoke to soon today in london
no more pretend false starts .
this stuff can save nervous system it seems well in to 40's like lagat .
truely a ped that if not on will not have a chance ........especially if in 40's
why do these times in track smell so off , if cleaner than ever , well tell me iaaf
Hey, 1 rule I have, those over 40 need drugs to survive, it's all down hill from there. So go easy on Kim, it's the only thing keeping him alive. 😉
Hamza wrote:
People love to bring up Hamza but he was not coached by Jama when he was caught. He had gone to a Moroccan coach well before that
Not true. You are referring to Kada (El G's lifelong coach, btw). His flagged blood passport came during a period where if something was taken to influence his reticulocytes/rbc's, it would have been with Aden. Please don't try to spin it otherwise. I can assure you that I'm much closer to this situation than you are. I'll leave it at that.
Lucerne Living wrote:
Hamza wrote:People love to bring up Hamza but he was not coached by Jama when he was caught. He had gone to a Moroccan coach well before that
Not true. You are referring to Kada (El G's lifelong coach, btw). His flagged blood passport came during a period where if something was taken to influence his reticulocytes/rbc's, it would have been with Aden. Please don't try to spin it otherwise. I can assure you that I'm much closer to this situation than you are. I'll leave it at that.
"Driouch said, “The doping problem is not from me, it comes from the coach Jama Aden.â€
"Facebook message exchange between Driouch and SPE15:
Driouch: I do not feel safe with Jama Aden!
SPE15: Why? Because drugs?
Driouch: Exactly!"
"Driouch’s ban was announced in February 2015. Driouch’s results were annulled from August 2, 2012, onward; Aden coached Driouch during the summer of 2012, during which time Driouch won World Junior gold and ran at the Olympics. Driouch was only 17 years old in August 2012.
Driouch left Aden after the Olympics and began to work with Moroccan coach Abdelkader Kada. Kada coached Driouch until September 2014, when he returned to Aden until February 2015."
Hamza and Balla both busted with EPO. You selectively quoted from the article which states that the EPO was in Balla's room. Balla can only be prosecuted for intent to distribute. He is being prosecuted. To whom do you think he was going to distribute? Perhaps it's an Aden athlete in a hotel full of fellow Aden athletes?
Soliloquy wrote:
Well stated. Pretending that Aden has nothing to do with this is naive at best, and voluntarily complicit at worst.
Considering this is letsrun, it's more likely a boring troll.
Lucerne Living wrote:
Hamza wrote:People love to bring up Hamza but he was not coached by Jama when he was caught. He had gone to a Moroccan coach well before that
Not true. You are referring to Kada (El G's lifelong coach, btw). His flagged blood passport came during a period where if something was taken to influence his reticulocytes/rbc's, it would have been with Aden. Please don't try to spin it otherwise. I can assure you that I'm much closer to this situation than you are. I'll leave it at that.
I know it's El G's coach, that doesn't make me think he is clean. You think Hicham was clean? fuking lol
Hamza is a Moroccan doper who doped under a Moroccan coach but he had to blame Aden or ElG's rep would be damaged.
Please don't try to spin it otherwise. I can assure you that I'm much closer to this situation than you are. I'll leave it at that.
I think where we might diverge is not my reasoning, but the set of assumptions we use to fill in the gaps of knowledge.Putting the question of Aden and EPO aside, I only raised the question what he's being indicted for. I do not see EPO in the list of items, but rather a bunch of vitamins like calcium, magnesium, B12, folic acid, etc.Whatever I think about Aden and EPO, the connection is not being corroborated.It was reported that there was EPO, but not with Aden.It was reported that Aden is being indicted for breaking Spanish law, but with non-doping products.Despite the hype in these forums, it has not been reported yet that Aden has broken any IAAF or WADA rules.I'm not sure injecting vitamins is considered by IAAF/WADA as violating the "spirit of the sport", so it is good not to mention it.
grox wrote:
As usual, it is your reasoning that is not great. There was EPO. Aden was discarding used syringes covertly. Imagining the coach has nothing to do with that EPO is crazy. Imagining the EPO was not used to dope the athletes is crazy. What kind of lesion do you cure with EPO exactly?
Also, breaking the Spanish law is one thing, breaking the IAAF rules is another. There might be enough to ban at least Bala.
And I won't even mention the "spirit of the sport". Injecting vitamins as part of your training. Great.
They also mention in the article that Thomas Capdevielle says the IAAF did not detect EPO, but that could be due to technical limitations. That confirms the detection means are quite limited. Was it a reference to microdosing or something else?