Sub 9:15 3200 get full ride to Big 10 school?

Looking for answers wrote:

Would sub 9:15 3200 and junior year 5k cc times in the 15:20s on legit courses get a full ride to some Big Ten schools?

full rides usually means you can score 10 or more points at conference meet. if they see that potential that might mean a full ride. However 915 3200 isnt what it used to be, so unless you go under 910 and have some state championship wins I wouldn't expect full ride as a frosh.

Pretty sure 9:15 at a school like Wisco/Michigan would get you a "welcome to the team" and that's it.

[quote]Looking for answers wrote:

I have seen those standards. Do you think they are legitimate?

Purdue's standards say scholarship level at 9:10 for 3200. Only one on their Big Ten cc team in 2016 was faster than that in high school. So, were all the others walk-ons? Many Big 10 schools don't have anyone who ran faster than 9:10 for 3200.

Just not sure what to believe. Right now under 9:15 for 3200 and in the 15:20s for 5k cc both in the junior year, are better times than what most teams have in their cc top 5 and even at all.

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You also have to consider which events schools focus on. Purdue might only have 1 guys that was faster than 9:10 in high school, but if they don't spend very much on distance runners, he might also be one of the only ones on athletic scholarship. Or maybe they focus more on 800/milers? Or maybe they try and get kids that qualify for other types of scholarship (academic, need based), because athletic money is, again, only 12.4 for an entire team.

Hayduke wrote:

Looking for answers wrote:

Would sub 9:15 3200 and junior year 5k cc times in the 15:20s on legit courses get a full ride to some Big Ten schools?

full rides usually means you can score 10 or more points at conference meet. if they see that potential that might mean a full ride. However 915 3200 isnt what it used to be, so unless you go under 910 and have some state championship wins I wouldn't expect full ride as a frosh.

Exactly. Even sub-9 HS guys aren't always fast enough yet to score many points at conference. If you get 1/4 - 1/3 scholarship you're an investment for your team's future. If you get 1/2 or more you're an investment that's often expected to pay dividends the first day you report to work.

Pretty rare any men are at full or close to full starting out. As many have mentioned there are k my 12.5 to go around and they get split up to accommodate the whole track team. Just cause there are kids slower than that on the team it doesn't mean they are getting full rides.

Some will get you on team and then if you improve and start scoring points they will increase scholarship.

The NCAA sets the men's limit at 12.5 that only means the college can't exceed it. At the two colleges I have coached neither one has allowed me to use that amount. In talking with other coaches this has been somewhat the norm. We are not a powerhouse school (at either location). In the past seventeen seasons we have, made it to nationals six times in XC and four times in track. Finishing top half. Full athletic rides are not that common. Please pick your college on personal fit and academics not on how much they will offer. I know of athletes that turn down or except scholarships based only upon the money. If school A offers you 10k and it costs 40k and school B offers you 10k and the school costs 20k they are not the same offering. Before the onslaught of comments you need to know how many go by money amounts not considering cost of the school

Academic achievements also matter to B1G schools. Plenty of sub-9:15 guys end up at DII because they sucked at school. How are your grades buttercup?

Looking for answers wrote:

Would sub 9:15 3200 and junior year 5k cc times in the 15:20s on legit courses get a full ride to some Big Ten schools?

Tons of schools will be offering a full ride for those times. Anyone under 10 for 3200 is getting full scholarship offers.

Good grades and great test scores. Lots of honors and AP classes too.

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Academic achievements also matter to B1G schools. Plenty of sub-9:15 guys end up at DII because they sucked at school. How are your grades buttercup?

RecruitingExpert wrote:

Looking for answers wrote:

Would sub 9:15 3200 and junior year 5k cc times in the 15:20s on legit courses get a full ride to some Big Ten schools?

Tons of schools will be offering a full ride for those times. Anyone under 10 for 3200 is getting full scholarship offers.

So cruel to even put a sliver of hope that could be true.

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What do most of the schools in the Big 10 do then? Most of them don't have a sub 9:00 guy on their entire team let alone in every class. Does that mean those schools aren't giving full rides?

Most of the Big Ten has caught on to the game played very well by the PAC 12 schools. They'll give sizable athletic scholarships to average potential student-athletes and push the academic elites towards legitimate honors scholarships (the only type of scholarship that doesn't count towards the 12.6 total for men) or a combination of academic honors money and athletic money.

Using this system, schools like Stanford and Oregon have had the equivalent of about 18-24 full scholarship make student-athletes on their team at any given time...and it is well within the rules.

Welcome to Rutgers

You would not get a full ride at Purdue or anywhere else in the B1G. A school like Purdue probably has 2-5 male distance runners who get any scholarship at all. Those that do get money are likely not on any more than 50%. Lonnie Greene, the head coach there, is a speed and power guy out of the SEC and he determines where the money goes.

The others schools in the Big 10 mostly allocate a similar amount of money toward distance runners, except maybe Wisconsin, Michigan, Indiana. A 9:15 will not get you scholarship money at those places anyway unless you have other, better credentials.

If you need a full ride as a 9:10 + guy, you'll have to look outside of the Power 5 conferences.

Try to find a smaller school that specializes in distance and puts most of its scholarships toward that area. Like Furman/Syracuse/Portland, but a less competitive program.

I can hopefully help give you some answers. I coach in Divison 1 (NCAA bubble team) and sorry to break it to you, but full rides are almost non-existent in our sport. We are limited in scholarship amount. It would be crazy to think that we would give a full ride to anyone as we would be seriously hurting the rest of our team having money locked up like that. The only instance I could think of spending that money would be on a sprinter/hurdler who can help carry the team with bringing in a lot of points. Distance runners just don't have as much point potential. They are very important to winning championships, but not the most important.

A 9:15 guy would not get much money at power 5 schools. You would be better trying to get large money at a smaller school, as you would be more immediate impact, thus worth the price for them. Even then, some won't give you scholarship.

If you ever hear someone getting a full ride they are:

1. Lying

2. Their scholarship combines with financial aid to "technically" pay for everything, but that isn't actually athletics paying for everything

3. The coach doesn't tell them the truth about #2 and makes them believe they are on full ride (happens A LOT)

4. They got lucky and I feel bad for the coach, they made a mistake unless they are the next Cheserek.

I ran 13:43 in college, and I was on books. I have a friend who ran 1:49/3:39:13:58 at a power 5 and got books and 25% of tuition. We have a sub 9:20 guy coming in next year who is walking on to my team. No money for him, needs to be faster. Scholarship is tough man. Times have changed and people have gotten faster. Sorry, that's just how it is.

With that being said, you can definitely get a chunk of your tuition covered at mid-majors. For power 5, you have to try the low-tier schools in them. Even then they want game changers who will propel them to compete with the big dogs. They don't want minor improvements.

A "full ride" for a cross country runner means 50% academic and 50% athletic. Give or take 25 percent either way.

Those schools with poor distance programs might use the scholarships for sprinters.

I don't think so.

Can someone explain how the athletic plus merit money works? Most of the competitive merit money decisions seem like they are made spring of senior year. But a lot of athletes are making decisions in the fall. Except for the automatic merit schools, are those coaches and athletes just hoping that the merit money happens, or are athletes getting an early read on what merit money they can expect, and how it might combine with partial athletic?

It takes approximately 120 points to win a big ten meet. Give or take. Men's track teams have 12.2 scholarships and 34 can travel to outdoor B1G meet. That means for a perfect return on scholarships you need to be getting 10 points/ scholarship. So If you're a guy who could win, expect full ride. If you're an 8th place type guy and could score a point you might get 10%. Obviously it varies school to school and by what's available how strong the program is but that's a good starting point. 12.2 scholarships for 34 guys is not a lot. Different schools distribute them differently too. Wisconsin uses most of their scholarships on Distance runners. Other schools focus on sprints. Hope this helps.