Wales-Dinan out from Harvard at end of month

Scholarships aren't a part of the equation at Harvard since Ivies don't offer athletic aid. Now you can argue back & forth over whether there are other "activity merit scholarships" that serve in much the same way at some of them in some instances...but the coaches do not have direct control over them - especially once they are awarded.

I can understand how to an outsider, this does come off like elite, privileged children crying over nothing. But if anyone wants to post e-mails he sent 16-17 year old female prospects in the recruiting process, then you'll see why he shouldn't be working with young women regardless of other things he encouraged with the culture there.

Shadow Lurker wrote:

I can understand how to an outsider, this does come off like elite, privileged children crying over nothing. But if anyone wants to post e-mails he sent 16-17 year old female prospects in the recruiting process, then you'll see why he shouldn't be working with young women regardless of other things he encouraged with the culture there.

This is exactly it. I don't want to be the one to post the specifics, but it's safe to say Harvard is not the appropriate school to do what PWD is aiming for. He should be coaching post-collegiate runners.

The video can't hold much weight, because the guy is touchy feely in his coaches with men as well as women, as you can see in this coaching video.

http://coachjayjohnson.com/general-strength-with-patrick-wales-dinan/

"in his coaching," that should say.

This is the issue wrote:

This is exactly it. I don't want to be the one to post the specifics

You understand this is problematic for anyone trying to figure out what is going on? Time and time again these days we see absolute nothings get blown up to astronomical proportions in media simply to make the content more clickable. I have no problem if this really is as severe as some posters make it out to be, but no one wants to post 'specifics'. Every question is met with something along the lines of

I have witnessed first-hand the abuse and torment this man has inflicted on these young women and it's truly appalling. Please don't assume to know what's going on if you weren't there

Okay then. Maybe we should just have criminal trials like that too. No evidence needed, just take the plaintiff's word, no questions asked.

Except Letsrun isn't a court of law & we all know that mods would likely delete it anyway....

What is this supposed to mean? Of course it's not court but it's the same scenario where one group of people presents evidence to prove to another group of people that something happened. It's called a metaphor, they're quite useful in comparing cases that aren't exactly the same and in this setting I'd argue it's quote a good metaphor.

Why would the mods have reason to delete specific actions (provided the 'victim' wasn't named?

Good. Jason didn't give him much of a farewell did he? Kind of a don't let the door hit you in the ass on the way out statement. Just what he deserves though.

Harvard has handled this miserably, covering up investigation results and arranging for this worm to slink away in the middle of the summer. Good riddance, and bravo to every young woman who stood up for herself in the face of institutional indifference and coaches' hostility and peer pressure. Not to mention the ignorant sexist dickery on threads like this.

Happy Independence Day!

I'm reminded of an old term called 'vaguebooking' where people intentionally post little detail about a situation on Facebook in hopes that they can elicit a sympathetic audience. For example:

"I guess SOME people just have a different opinion on what friendship means...."

To which there are countless replies of "oh so sorry dear, people can be such jerks" etc, etc.

Enjoy your verbal self-fellatio and keep patting yourself on the back for a job well done, no one else gets your inside references.

Alex P Keaton's Left Nut wrote:

I'm reminded of an old term called 'vaguebooking' where people intentionally post little detail about a situation on Facebook in hopes that they can elicit a sympathetic audience. For example:

"I guess SOME people just have a different opinion on what friendship means...."

To which there are countless replies of "oh so sorry dear, people can be such jerks" etc, etc.

Enjoy your verbal self-fellatio and keep patting yourself on the back for a job well done, no one else gets your inside references.

Why do you even post here?

Very surprised that Jason wasn't shown the door with him, he is as much a part of the problem as PWD and less of a coach.

hockey mask wrote:

Very surprised that Jason wasn't shown the door with him, he is as much a part of the problem as PWD and less of a coach.

Winning all of those Heps titles does have a certain insulating quality...

stjsjtr wrote:

hockey mask wrote:

Very surprised that Jason wasn't shown the door with him, he is as much a part of the problem as PWD and less of a coach.

Winning all of those Heps titles does have a certain insulating quality...

Without contributing any points as a coach?

stjsjtr wrote:

hockey mask wrote:

Very surprised that Jason wasn't shown the door with him, he is as much a part of the problem as PWD and less of a coach.

Winning all of those Heps titles does have a certain insulating quality...

The titles are for the women, not the men, and even then, all but one of those titles (2016 Heps XC) has been a result of the Harvard women sprinting and jumping dominance.

Saretsky focuses on the men's distance, but he's still the face of the school as he is the Director for both the men's and women's programs. Other than Dan Chenoweth, Maksim Korolev, and James Leakos, there hasn't been much coming out of the Harvard's men distance scene. There had been some high profile recruits but they either transferred or had so many injuries that they never got a good season under their belts.

It somewhat saddens me that it's Saretsky who gets the "Coach of the Year" honors on the conference and USTFCCCA Regional scale. Sure, the sprinting/jumps coach Kebba Tolbert get some honors as well (as "Assistant Coach", which is technically his title) but I feel Tolbert should be getting more of the praise than Saretsky. At this point, Saretsky's only real accomplishment is getting Tolbert to apply/accept the sprint/jump coach position.

I do wonder what the Harvard Friends TF/XC alumni confidence level is with Saretsky now. I know some of us want to see the results of the report, but it's unlikely it will ever get published.

was this video really removed???

asdfasdf wrote:

The video can't hold much weight, because the guy is touchy feely in his coaches with men as well as women, as you can see in this coaching video.

http://coachjayjohnson.com/general-strength-with-patrick-wales-dinan/

The full video was creepy and let's not forget the deleted posts of totally inappropriate pictures of his female athletes. He freaking took pictures of his athletes while they were sleeping... and posted them. The fact that he deleted them shows even he knew they were wrong...

That strength work video with wales dinan that was removed within a day of my posting that just showed him putting his hand on the young men who were doing planks, on a guy's abs and i-t band somewhere else to show what they were doing. I didn't watch more than a couple minutes of it. Pretty much the same as in the famous video. But it did show that he was one of those people who put their hands on others when they talk. The creepy part is not that. If a woman were doing that or hugging her athletes, no one would say a word. It is that he was having sexual relationships with his athletes, at least earlier at Williams (the one he's marrying), and that he was bullying them into eating disorders, running while injured, and quitting the team.

Kitchen Thoughts wrote:

The tale of how a bunch of entitled whiners got their coach fired.

My thought exactly.

From what I've heard, Phelan is beloved by all of the Harvard mens distance runners and well liked by all of the staff. Given his time already spent with the team, hiring him as a coach would not only minimize transitional hiccups (he's already established in the program and trusted by the team members) but also restore some confidence in a program rocked by controversy.

drummerherehi wrote:

msshole wrote:

Would be the best hire they could make, which means they won't do it.

Phelan would be a brilliant choice, dude is a legend, but they won't pick him.