Hydlide wrote:
No one with any sense could think this "girl" is 18 or clean. What a farce. Coburn was the first legit athlete in the race.
Eye roll.
Hydlide wrote:
No one with any sense could think this "girl" is 18 or clean. What a farce. Coburn was the first legit athlete in the race.
Eye roll.
Looks like she lost about 3 seconds. However, sometimes stopping mid-race like that or falling can give you that extra adrenaline boost to help you finish strong.
milethon wrote:
Looks like she lost about 3 seconds. However, sometimes stopping mid-race like that or falling can give you that extra adrenaline boost to help you finish strong.
What nonsense.
Adrenaline rush burns energy
milethon wrote:
Looks like she lost about 3 seconds. However, sometimes stopping mid-race like that or falling can give you that extra adrenaline boost to help you finish strong.
I prefer to just start a few seconds late so I get the adrenaline boost for the whole race.
Hydlide wrote:
No one with any sense could think this "girl" is 18 or clean. What a farce. Coburn was the first legit athlete in the race.
These kinda stupid comments is what is wrong with our culture. Milennials who want a participation medal for finishing last in a race. What does it matter if she is 18 or 40, she still ran 8:58, which would is 9 seconds faster than any American women has. While being that young, it is deemed more impressive, but don't let age overshadow the performance for what it is. Emma almost broke the American record in her first steeple of the year. If she would have broke it I doubt anyone would be asking how old she is,
Give it a break, you don't like it, go coach a young athlete to run those times. Otherwise, shut up and move along. Don't taint our society with your crybaby logic.
She can probably beat Jebets record. Very Impressive
Idiot
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milethon wrote:
Looks like she lost about 3 seconds. However, sometimes stopping mid-race like that or falling can give you that extra adrenaline boost to help you finish strong.
Stopping may not have changed her ultimate finishing time as had she not stopped, she'd probably just run along with the other two until she kicked anyway.
Does show that she's capable of much faster though.
VIPAM was talking about this woman a while back. Same guy that predicted Bekele would be a world beater way back when.
Trumpofreality wrote:
Hydlide wrote:No one with any sense could think this "girl" is 18 or clean. What a farce. Coburn was the first legit athlete in the race.
These kinda stupid comments is what is wrong with our culture. Milennials who want a participation medal for finishing last in a race. What does it matter if she is 18 or 40, she still ran 8:58, which would is 9 seconds faster than any American women has. While being that young, it is deemed more impressive, but don't let age overshadow the performance for what it is. Emma almost broke the American record in her first steeple of the year. If she would have broke it I doubt anyone would be asking how old she is,
Give it a break, you don't like it, go coach a young athlete to run those times. Otherwise, shut up and move along. Don't taint our society with your crybaby logic.
+1
The person you commented to erased everyone in the race until he got to a white, blond American. That qualifies as 100% clean.
What was Coburn going on about in the QOTD? She's congratulating them and she "knows what they are doing"?
heroic videog wrote:
sorry, here's the whole thing. Don't know how the finish got cut.
http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x5o2r0i
Did you see Chespol over the water jump @2.48. Crazy style.
Run Celliphine Run wrote:
By Worlds Celliphine and Chepkoech will be the top two. Interesting how things have changed so quick for Ruth Jebet. She might not even win a medal in London.
Jebet ran 8:51 just a few months ago.
wow ,
the womens steeplechase is like a different event nowadays .........
i wonder what could be different . dont pass smell test ,
whole of track doesnt , but iaaf / wada have you believe otherwise
ever since dibaba started breaking those records started seeing
this new endurance ped ,
or to be exact speed endurance ped , mildronate alpha
again has to be used with igf-1 lr3 .
this is all nike and iaaf doings , if chosen athlete the dope finds you .
insinuating wrote:
What was Coburn going on about in the QOTD? She's congratulating them and she "knows what they are doing"?
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Well, she's obviously being intentionally vague. But the people here who think most of the winners in world class track races are clean must be living in a cave. For example, we know that Kenya and Ethiopia don't have good out of competition drug testing. We know that in the US, where there is much better drug testing, many athletes are still doping. Look at the NOP. The evidence is mounting. Why wouldn't an elite African runner dope, when it's relatively easy to microdose out of competition, and doing so can mean the difference between poverty and wealth, and having the resources to improve the wellbeing of your entire community?
Genzebe Dibaba's coach was driving around Spain dropping syringes in dumpsters. Still, we pretend that she's clean because she's never tested positive. Now we have an 18-year-old who lost a shoe and ran an insane time. I know people love to think that we're witnessing the next big thing, but it's really naive to think that there's not at least a 50/50 chance that Chespol is dirty.
heroic videog wrote:
sorry, here's the whole thing. Don't know how the finish got cut.
Thanks very much. Daily Motion FTW.
Scroll down a bit and there is a photo of Chespol from two years ago. (Note, here an the other athletes are holding toys.stuffed animals)
To those out there denying her age....you're so stupid that you might look in the mirror, point and say "You are and age cheat".
Sadly, no reason to be certain that anyone is clean. Many are but you just don't know.
History tells us that athletes will cheat no matter where they are from or the era--Finnish blood dopers, Eastern Block, American sprinters, Lance, Floyd, cyclists everywhere, McGwire, Bonds, a whole generation of baseball players, Regina Jacobs, Chinese runners in 90s, now many Kenyan runners, Dibaba probably, NOP near-doping.
Why wouldn't many Kenyan runners cheat? And also why wouldn't many American runners cheat? And British runners? And Ethiopian runners? I trust Coburn as much as I trust Chespol.
The only runners we know that did not cheat were the runners who competed in an era where there was not access to EPO etc.--probably the 1960s-early 1970s top performers--Snell, Keino, Ryun, Bikila, Shorter, Clarke. After that, who knows?
What really makes me sad is that some of the top runners today are clean. If Snell could run 1:44 on grass and Ryun 3:51 on dirt, it is not too much of a stretch to think that--fifty years later--someone would be able to run considerably faster. The world record fifty years before Ryun's 3:51 was 4:12. But now whenever anyone runs fast, we doubt . . .
I do think, however, that the 14 year old who ran 23. is clean. I hope.
Gotta bee wrote:
east african genes wrote:Well this settles the talent vs. hard work debate. It's talent by a landslide.
Hard work beats talent when talent FAILS to work hard
So if talent is working hard they're going to be better then the less talented person working just as hard, simple.
The typical Kenyan has a leg to torso length ratio of around 1.4-1.5. These Kenyan steeple girls look more like 1.6. Plus they are very slender, but not too slender in the legs. They are built about as well as can be for running that event. Even with her thyroid meds and inhalers, Coburn will never run as fast as those girls because she just isn't built for it. Coburn is very close to her max level if not already on the downhill side. Coburn is a hard worker, kudos to her. Growing up in East Africa is hard work, that is why the Africans are mentally tougher.
Clearly Coburn needs to shave her head to make any improvements. That hair is costing her 4-5 seconds for the SC. She'll likely never be able to beat the top Kenyans in a super fast race but she can be competitive for sure. I am not sure she can get to sub-9 but I think she can get much closer if she shaves off all that hair.