IAAF Set to Wipe all pre 2005 World Records from the Books

Off the top of my head, active athletes who will become WR holders

Schippers

Kiprop

Obiri

Barshim

Keitany

Muhammad

Taylor

Classic

Yego

Dibaba will add the mile, which she likely would have done anyway.

Not sure if Jeter has retired yet. Sanya Richards is retired. Jelimo is virtually retired, hasn't been seen or heard from in years.

It's a joke now, Records set at London, Beijing don't pass academic, clinical and legal scrutiny either. We won't have a clean sport until we have an FBI Certified Investigators and Laboratories.

A world record has to be celebrated in the moment.

Kiprop would now be the owner of two awkward moments.

One, getting the Gold medal several months after finishing second in 2008.

Two, becoming the world record holder a couple years after running the third fastest time ever.

I applaud the thinking, but this is never going to happen and I'm not sure I think it should happen. I would much rather see a dirty record stand than a clean record get erased. Btw, why use 2005, in 2004 there was rampant doping among the Russian middle distance females.

YouYouYou wrote:

This is a great idea. I've said for years they should do this, but I said they should use 1989, the year random testing was introduced, as the threshold. This is even bolder. Many clean WR holders, sadly, will have their records taken, unfortunately.

But it's for the best in the big picture. There is going to be some really weak WRs, men's LJ leaps to mind. I think it will be Saladino?

The clean record holders like El G, Powell and Radcliffe who may gripe can still boast of being a world record breaker, just as if anyone broke their record on the track. But this is a good time to reset. When FAT timing was instituted the old records became obsolete.

This is good for the sport. Glad Coe is doing this.

Lord Coe is really Great because he is from Great Britain and always does Great things.

Expect Great Things from the IAAF President-Lord Sebastian Coe.

Lord Sebastian Coe is a member of the House of (Great) Lords of Great Britain.

Hey Brits.

Please stop it.

TrackCoach wrote:

I applaud the thinking, but this is never going to happen and I'm not sure I think it should happen. I would much rather see a dirty record stand than a clean record get erased. Btw, why use 2005, in 2004 there was rampant doping among the Russian middle distance females.

They already have the votes for it. It's a done deal.

2005 because that's when they stored blood samples. Those samples can be isotope tested now and that's foolproof. Every record will be clean

What about national records, presumably they will be scrubbed as well (including Coe's) - or there will be national records faster than world records..

The best thing to have done would be to have kept the blood samples indefinitely. Tech would eventually catch up and be able to determine100% if somebody was clean from any era (that preserved the blood test samples).

Is this why they chose 2005 as the cut off date? Because of the stupid rule which required they got rid of the the blood samples pre 2005 (including El Guerouge et al).

YouYouYou wrote:

TrackCoach wrote:

I applaud the thinking, but this is never going to happen and I'm not sure I think it should happen. I would much rather see a dirty record stand than a clean record get erased. Btw, why use 2005, in 2004 there was rampant doping among the Russian middle distance females.

They already have the votes for it. It's a done deal.

2005 because that's when they stored blood samples. Those samples can be isotope tested now and that's foolproof. Every record will be clean

You answered my question 3 minutes before I asked it :D

YouYouYou wrote:

TrackCoach wrote:

I applaud the thinking, but this is never going to happen and I'm not sure I think it should happen. I would much rather see a dirty record stand than a clean record get erased. Btw, why use 2005, in 2004 there was rampant doping among the Russian middle distance females.

They already have the votes for it. It's a done deal.

2005 because that's when they stored blood samples. Those samples can be isotope tested now and that's foolproof. Every record will be clean

If I dope now and train hard and then stop doping leading up to a competition I will test clean but my training still had the advantages of doping.

You'll never have a completely clean professional sport.

Alan

I wonder about Jamaican works records set when they had little out of competition testing?

Isotope test used for specific thing (exogenous testosterone). There are many more doping methods, many of which might never show up in a stored sample regardless of the future analytical tests available.

Runningart2004 wrote:

YouYouYou wrote:

They already have the votes for it. It's a done deal.

2005 because that's when they stored blood samples. Those samples can be isotope tested now and that's foolproof. Every record will be clean

If I dope now and train hard and then stop doping leading up to a competition I will test clean but my training still had the advantages of doping.

You'll never have a completely clean professional sport.

Alan

Nope. Isotope testing finds any doping you ever did. You will be busted. But don't worry, no one will ever waste any tests on your pathetic times

I'd forgotten that Kipketer held the Euro 800m mark but Coe and Cram would both lose European recs whilst Mo Farah probably gets to keep his.

http://www.european-athletics.org/records/performances/type=outdoor/agegroup=senior/gender=m/index.html

Wipe out all world records and keep only the ones where the record holder had gone through 3 unannounced OOC tests the year before the record, the year during the record.

Runner runner wrote:

Wipe out all world records and keep only the ones where the record holder had gone through 3 unannounced OOC tests the year before the record, the year during the record.

What they are doing is far more foolproof than your dumb idea

Not saying it matters, but would any men's UK track record be held by a white runner?

YouYouYou wrote:

Runningart2004 wrote:

If I dope now and train hard and then stop doping leading up to a competition I will test clean but my training still had the advantages of doping.

You'll never have a completely clean professional sport.

Alan

Nope. Isotope testing finds any doping you ever did. You will be busted. But don't worry, no one will ever waste any tests on your pathetic times

Show me how isotope testing does this? It doesn't. From what I've read the isotope testing will tell you if an athlete has synthetic testosterone in the system even if T:E ratios are "normal".

Alan

YouYouYou wrote:

ukathleticcoach wrote:

I wonder about Jamaican works records set when they had little out of competition testing?

It doesn't matter, idiot. Their blood is stored and can be retested any time. If it doesn't fit the criteria then their marks are not valid.

How was the blood stored from out of competition tests if they didn't do any? That's a rhetorical question. All you need to do now is look up what rhetorical means.

PrZ wrote:

This probably isn't gonna happen if the sport wants to be taken seriously ever again. Looks like that'd make Kiprop the 1500 world record holder and Gebremeskel in the 5k given that nobody has run faster than him since 2005 (that is if they erase everything including 05).

The wording in the article states before 2005 which would mean 2005 records would still count. Therefore Bekele's 10,000m would still stand and the 5,000m would be 12:40